Washington Post Writer Who Accused Amy Schumer Of Racism Never Saw Her Standup or TV Show


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“A white woman standing on a stage and insinuating that Mexicans or other men of color are rapists, given our history, given that historically when white women made claims, most of the times they were false about black men raping them, somebody ended up hanging from a tree. ”  — Dr. Stacey Patton, author of The Washington Post, Op-Ed.

 

The Washington Post, one of our nation’s most venerable guardians of free speech took a step in a surprising direction earlier this week, publishing an article by Dr. Stacey Patton and David Leonard that called out comedian as a racist.

The article likened Schumer’s comedy to Donald Trump’s politics and accused Schumer of using “dehumanizing language that gives life to an ecosystem of racial fear and violence.” The article also accuses Schumer of suggesting “that Mexicans, or other men of color, are natural-born rapists,” and says that “while black families are burying their dead, churches are burningblack women church pastors are receiving death threats and the KKK is planning rallies in South Carolina, Schumer is ‘playing’ with race…and only white people are laughing.”

There are some powerful accusations in play here, and the masthead of The Washington Post carries considerable weight.  With so many worthy targets creating genuine oppression to choose from, we couldn’t help but wonder why the Post would aim its rather sizeable artillery at this particular target, at this particular time?  Why comedy and why Schumer?

It was only a few short months ago when the world, and The Washington Post clamored to support the victims at French satire newspaper Charlie Hebdo after their offices were attacked leaving 12 dead.  The Washington Post stood up for free expression, publishing a highly controversial and polarizing cover.  An editorial by Charles Lane, published by the Post in January said, “it is vitally important that the United States and all other Western democracies rally to their unequivocal defense. If freedom means anything, it means freedom of expression — to include expression that some might find irresponsible, offensive or even blasphemous. In the realm of art and ideas, pretty much nothing is, or should be, sacred, lest we head down the slippery slope to censorship, or self-censorship.”

But Amy Schumer’s comedic, and even satirical expression isn’t being considered important in Patton and Leonard’s piece.  And the thrust of their article is that there are indeed topics that are sacred and even unacceptable in comedy.

I spoke with The Washington Post‘s Outlook Deputy Editor Mike Madden about the seeming contradiction.  “This is not the opinion of The Washington Post,” Madden told me, “this is the opinion of a couple of contributors to The Washington Post.”  Of course both articles are editorials and newspapers print conflicting editorials all the time.  But even op-ed pieces are edited and selected and subject to internal guidelines and even op-ed pieces enjoy the weight of The Washington Post banner– one which has a history of protecting journalistic expression feverishly.

I asked Madden if he knew why the article’s author, Dr. Stacey Patton had chosen Amy Schumer as the topic for her article. “I think she pitched this piece because Schumer was in the news, at least in some circles in the news. Probably because of that Guardian piece,” he said, and suggested that I talk directly with Dr. Patton.  I did.

Dr. Patton said a few things that surprised me.  For starters, she said she’s not a specialist on comedy or humor.  While she does enjoy comedy (she likes George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Martin Lawrence, the Queens of Comedy, and Bill Maher among others), she told me that watching comedy isn’t something she gets to do often.  In fact, before the ‘Schumer issue’ came up, she had never seen Amy Schumer perform stand up, and she had never seen Schumer’s Comedy Central television show. Even more surprising, she said she didn’t watch any of Amy’s performances or shows while writing the article, not even as background for the piece.  Her judgement was based on what she read,  presumably in The Guardian, which had just published an article accusing Schumer of “having a blind spot for race.”

The Interrobang; Have you ever watched Amy’s television show… in preparation for the article?
Stacey Patton: Nope. Not at all. 
The Interrobang: Her stand up set[s]? have you ever watched any of them?
Stacey Patton: Nope. None of them.

Despite seeing the quotes out of context, and without the benefit of knowing anything about Amy’s comedy, she was comfortable making judgements about whether Schumer’s comedy was or wasn’t racist.  She also was comfortable deciding whether Schumer’s audience was or wasn’t racially diverse (she characterizes Amy’s following as predominately white), and she was comfortable to conclude that Schumer’s comedy breeds racism in others.

I was also surprised to learn that Dr. Patton hadn’t “pitched” the article to The Washington Post. She said it wasn’t her idea at all, and in fact she initially turned down the story, because, she thought there wasn’t much there. Patton said:

“The Outlook editor actually wrote to me last week and asked if I’d be willing to write about this. And I hadn’t actually heard about the incident.  And you know, I’m not a fan or foe of Amy Schumer.  Hadn’t really paid attention to her.  She’s not a comedian whose work I follow so I was not really that familiar with her.  And I was still quite frankly reeling from Charleston.  Because I was in Charleston three days before the shooting and I was staying two blocks away from the church so, yeah, I was still dealing with a lot of the backlash from my Washington Post piece on that.  And so when I kind of looked at some of the coverage on Schumer, I initially thought meh.  This woman is joking.  You know, myself and a lot of people are still grieving the lives of those people in Charleston.

“But then I thought about Donald Trump’s remarks and then the fact that a few days later Dylann Roof stands up in a church and before shooting nine people says, “taking over my country you’re raping our women” despite the fact that most of his victims were black women.  And then it was Schumer’s comments about Mexican men and rapists.  And I thought, see, that’s when I had to say something.”

Patton explained to me that one of her primary concerns here is context.  She explained.

“A white woman standing on a stage and insinuating that Mexicans or any other men of color are rapists, is racist. Given our history, given that historically when white women made claims, most of the times they were false about black men raping them, somebody ended up hanging from a tree. We are living in a climate where there is still that very potent fear about interracial sex.  So I think context is really important.”

Context was a theme that she’d return to again and again throughout our conversation.

I don’t doubt that Dr. Patton means well. She’s a well respected journalist, and from what I gathered in our conversation, very intelligent. She is concerned about very serious problems faced by people of color in America and the world today, and those problems are real and in need of redress.  And without the important context of understanding performed comedy, Schumer’s act, and her persona, it might be hard to distinguish Schumer’s point of view from a completely different kind of joke– one that is harmful, and derogatory, and holds no benefit to the community at large. Patton described to me concerns about the type of people who “back during the Jim Crow period, while nearly 4,000 black people were lynched in this country, [were] making jokes; they were singing minstrel songs, putting on black face, telling chicken and watermelon and pickaninny jokes.”  Those types of harmful, racially motivated jokes of course still exist today, and are just as rooted in hate as they ever were.  And perhaps Patton is correct that the people who laugh at those types of jokes add to what she calls “this ecosystem of nasty rhetoric.”

But that argument ignores that performed comedy that integrates and confronts, and yes even “plays with” race and bias, is not the same as a “chicken and watermelon and pickaninny joke.” There is nuance and skill that a performer uses to communicate that they are not advocating racism and intolerance– on the contrary, they believe in inclusion and tolerance.  Laughing at our own shortcomings, biases and history of intolerance can advance harmony in a way that lecturing, and even legislating cannot. When we, as an audience can laugh at stereotypes… we don’t reinforce them, we expose them.  And it’s all to the benefit of society.

Patton has made presumptions regarding the racial composition of Schumer’s audience, and she has also made presumptions about the effect Schumer’s comedy has on her audience. Those presumptions are made without any real information, and seem to be based on nothing more than speculation and her own social media following.

“Based on the images that I’ve seen, photos of her– again, I have not watched any of her videos but if I look and I see a predominantly white audience that tells me something right there.  And based on what I’m seeing on social media– and I have a huge social media audience myself, most of the black people that are commenting– actually all of them that I’m seeing– have been reacting very negatively to her. So that tells me that she’s not very popular among people of color. The vast majority of people of color who watch comedy don’t watch her. They watch the Queens of Comedy or the Kings of Comedy. The reality is that the comedy world is segregated. Period.  Yes you have a few comics who might cross over a little bit, but it’s largely segregated. Most black people that I know who watch comedy don’t watch Amy Schumer. Go up and down my time line and time lines of other friends. They’re like, never heard of her.”

But all you would need to do is attend any of Schumer’s performances in New York City to see otherwise, or browse social media while her show is airing on Comedy Central. You will find a multitude of cultures, colors, languages, genders and countries represented.  And by and large, they “get the joke” and they know the difference between harmful jokes and comedy.

I asked Dr. Patton how she would feel to find out that people of color laugh at these jokes.  She told me that there have always been all kinds of black people, including those who are self hating, or disagree with affirmative action, or were overseers on the plantations.  She added, “people of color are not monolithic folks. We have people who are raised in different kinds of families and communities and have different political persuasions and tastes when it comes to humor.  So of course you’re going to find people of color who think that’s funny.  And generally the vast majority of black folks, when we come across people like that we call em out, and say ‘okay you know, whats wrong with you? ‘ So we know that there are those among us who don’t have the same kind of sensitivity when it comes to issues of race.”  Perhaps Dr. Patton doesn’t trust that there are audiences who understand subtlety and satire, and can differentiate between hateful speech and comedy. But to do that she would first need to listen to more than just a quote, or a clip.  Schumer’s comedy is full of instances where she’s pushing social boundaries in the best possible directions. You can read dozens of articles talking about the gender biases she exposes through her comedy, and taking on issues of body image, rape culture, sexual identity, and other societal issues that matter.

So why Amy, why now?  It’s certainly not because Schumer has gone too far over the line as compared to other performers. She’s not known for racial sets.  It seems that Schumer was targeted because she’s getting a lot of press with the release of her upcoming movie , and people are interested in her, so generating controversy is profitable.  Perhaps she just seemed like an easy target, as a woman. Or maybe there are those who are uncomfortable with the gender boundaries she addresses and the abundance of press and praise she has received in the last two months.

But The Washington Post name carries weight, certainly far more weight than Amy Schumer, who is just beginning to see her career grow.  To suggest that Schumer needs to be more responsible with her comedy with one hand, while casually branding a young artist with powerful words like Racism with the other, seems to have its own irresponsibility not only toward Schumer, but toward other young artists trying to decide what they can and cannot talk about.  And to tie an artist– particularly an artist who is herself breaking down long standing barriers–  in with murder, the Klan and the burning of black churches is something that should not be done lightly.  There are serious consequences to such statements.

The Post article cautions against using the “its just a joke” mentality, as do we, because it’s not “just a joke.” Comedy is a socially and culturally important art form.  Comedy is an important form of communication that at its highest level is as critical to our social progression as journalism, and while it may be understandable that Dr. Patton and her writing partner might not appreciate that, it’s startling to see that The Washington Post would be as cavalier.  Dr. Patton states in her article that “motivation is not the issue. what matters is the cost/consequence of these jokes.” But what is the cost and consequence of accusing someone of racism without context, background, or any real information?

 

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363 Comments

  1. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 9:03 am

    oh wow you mean the left is intolerant, gullible, deceitful and trigger happy again?

  2. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 9:10 am

    I know you understand it was an Op-Ed piece because you devote a good 2 or 3 sentences to it.  So why go beyond that?  It was an uninformed contributor with a stupid opinion.  Perhaps WaPo Outlook had an agenda, but stupid as they were, the opinions expressed were legitimate fodder for discussion.  What purpose is meant here by excoriating the woman and the Post, and being so dismissive?  Why not create a REAL dialogue about racism, rather than *this*, yet another whiny diatribe?

  3. Albedo

    July 10, 2015 at 9:15 am

    So the article in The Guardian that claims that she perpetuates rather than deconstructs racist stereotypes, and appears to be written by someone familiar with many aspects of her work, is the one to read?

  4. freddiethegreek

    July 10, 2015 at 9:16 am

    Rerand probably because this is a site is a comedy site, so their focus is the importance of comedy

  5. popcultivation

    July 10, 2015 at 9:20 am

    maybe the author just has good taste?

  6. Verbal Kint

    July 10, 2015 at 9:33 am

    I’m just glad to see that we finally have a story on here about Amy Schumer.

  7. Zach from Nowhere

    July 10, 2015 at 10:30 am

    BallPeenHammer >trigger happy

    Poor choice of words. #CantGoofTheRoof

  8. Snowblind

    July 10, 2015 at 11:20 am

    Amy’s fatness offends me….

  9. Honest Dude

    July 10, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    @Snowblind your ignorance offends me.

  10. JC

    July 10, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    This is utter bullshit! Dr Patton is a shill; typical of our “better be first, than have the story correct” media… Except she is touting her “degree” to lend legitimacy. These are the tactics (accuse racism, or any other “ism” to end and argument) used in our sissified Apology Culture… The far left/progressive agenda of attacking anything they find “offensive” while demanding everyone else submit to their point of view is dishonest. We are weaker for it. Booooo!

  11. Binary Daoist

    July 10, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    Dr. Stacey Patton is a dickhead.

  12. BadNewsJeff

    July 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    tl;dr

  13. MosesLambert

    July 10, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    Bill Maher is supposed to be funny? SInce when?

  14. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    Gotta love the condescending spin you put on this one, Debra.  This article is a perfect illustration of whitesplaining on fleek.

    I’m not surprised though given that you spent more time during our interview giving me YOUR opinion and defending Schumer than demonstrating journalistic integrity by listening to your source and then representing her quotes accurately.  Gotta love how you cherry picked my quotes to couch them in your own perspective.  Seems that you did the same thing with the WashPo editor.  You showed your dirty drawers right after “hello.”

    So what if I haven’t seen Amy’s standup? Did you read my book, all of my articles, watch my TV interviews, listen to every radio interview I’ve given over the years, or watch my keynotes before writing this piece and fixing your fingers to type: “I’m sure she means well?”  Of course you didn’t.  LOL.

    The Post piece that David and I wrote was not a “review” of Schumer’s body of work.  Journalistic accounts of racist jokes are enough to provide commentary.  Eff me for assuming that you’d know that distinction.  Our piece specifically zoomed on Schumer’s racist statements about Mexicans and engaged a larger discussion about the role of racist comedy in American culture.  We did not “compare” Schumer to Donald Trump and Dylan Roof.  We noted that racist humor is part of an ecosystem of race prejudice.  As I told you during our conversation, humor alone doesn’t necessarily motivate people to act in a racist manner.  The humor helps to reify stereotypes and ideas about racial difference which then in turn helps to legitimatize all kinds of institutionalized forms of discrimination.  To note that a person, a tree, and a lake are in an ecosystem is not a comparison.  And to note that Trump, Roof, and the Schumers of the world are part of a race zeitgeist (you might have to look that up, Debra) and white supremacist ecosystem is not a comparison.  We were noting how they buttress each other.

    And your point in noting that I’m not a specialist on comedy?  What’s that about?  I’m a specialist on racist language, the history of race and popular culture, which I had to educate you on but clearly based on what you’ve written here you didn’t listen very well.  Most white female comedians play on interracial dating jokes as their bread and butter. And people laugh and bond around these jokes because they are familiar with the stereotypes.  This is nothing like a comic like Louis C. K. who does jokes about race that really confronts racism and makes white folks uncomfortable in their assumptions about whiteness and race.  

    I explicitly stated that Schumer’s remarks about Mexicans “working 100 percent of the time” is part of a larger ecosystem of labor exploitation and anti-immigrant sentiment in this country.  People have argued that what Schumer said was a “positive stereotype” about Mexicans.  Tell that to the berry pickers and those working the sweat shops and slaughterhouses.  If you took a real history course, you’d know that the same kinds or racist jokes were made about black people during slavery and during the Jim Crow period when they were being exploited as sharecroppers other kinds of cheap laborers.  The joke got inverted after slavery to say that black people were “lazy” because they no longer wanted to be exploited in menial positions.  If those historical examples aren’t good enough then consider this . . . when the Nazis were marching millions of Jews to the gas chambers, their killers were making racist jokes and caricatures about them, too.

    I explicitly spoke to you about the danger of Amy’s rape joke.  Why would you or anybody else want to defend the ability of a comic to joke about rape at a time when this culture can’t even decide on what constitutes rape?  At a time when somebody like Donald Trump has branded Mexican men as rapists?  At a time when a white racist degenerate killer took the lives of black parishioners while they prayed, and before doing so, accused them of being rapists?  Think about why you want to preserve the right to racially objectify marginalized groups.  What kind of ego massage do you, as a white woman, get from that?  I told you during our interview that it is irresponsible, especially for a white woman who brands herself as a feminist, to make jokes about men of color being rapists.  What if I say, “I used to date white men but now I prefer consensual?”  The joke wouldn’t work, even though there is a historical precedent for white men raping black women with impunity.

    During our interview you said: “Racist jokes can unite people across groups.”  I asked you to give me an example and you couldn’t.  But yet you extended your flawed line of reasoning with a line about how Schumer playing with race and bias isn’t as the “fried chicken and watermelon and pickaninny” jokes.  A racist joke is still a racist joke. Today’s racism, even in the form of seemingly benign humor, is subtle and benign, and that’s what makes it so insidious. 

    I’m also curious to know if you repeatedly tell your white sources during interviews how “articulate” and “learned” they are, and highlight their intelligence in the pieces you write about them?  Are you that unfamiliar and uncomfortable with black intelligence?  I don’t need white validation or agreement with my perspective to feel legitimate.  LOL.  I just needed you to demonstrate more balance and analytical dexterity but you clearly failed.
    And to the rest of you commenters on here, you should know that when you resort to name calling it is the functional equivalent to conceding to my argument.  Your pithy insults and criticisms are so shrill and sanctimonious that they serve as their own embarrassing rebuttal.
    Carry on . . .

  15. CanaDigg

    July 10, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    DrStaceyPatton You screwed up. You didn’t do your research. Own up to it and quit blaming it on “whitesplaining”, that’s pathetic and lazy. 
    No one is out to get you because you’re black. People hate your article because of how it was written, not who wrote it.

  16. Foggy_Otis

    July 10, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    Ms Patton- I’m very offended by your term- “whitesplaining” but as an educated adult I respect your right to pre-judge me for being a white guy.

  17. Binary Daoist

    July 10, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    Oh you don’t like when people present you by cherry picking and taking things out of context?
    Shame on you. You made hate where there was none. That’s your contribution. So enjoy basking in yourself with that plank in your eye.

  18. TalkingWithYale

    July 10, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    The problem isn’t that a couple of egghead columnists in the pockets of the grievance industry decided to clutch their pearls over a joke, the problem is that anybody took them seriously to begin with. Anything beyond a “Well, bless your heart” was probably more attention than they deserved. Hecklers gonna heckle, whether it’s in the back of the room or on the op-ed pages of a newspaper. Their op-ed was 794 words long, and if you replaced every one of them with “Harrumph!” it wouldn’t have made much of a difference.

  19. TalkingWithYale

    July 10, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    CanaDigg DrStaceyPatton Kessler is often a Jewish name. I wonder is she’s a member of the tribe, like me. Would that be Jewsplaining? Yidsplaining? Hebesplaining? If we do express our opinions, are we just being wrong in that one way, or, since we’re also white, are we committing two separate sins simultaneously? That’s a lot of power for one person to have all at once. Thank goodness there are none of us working in comedy. Oh, wait . . .

  20. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    @freddiethegreek   Except that this piece had no intention to promote the importance of comedy.  It merely jumped on the fact that an editorial called Amy Schumer’s material racist… which it clearly WAS. (Whether it’s benign or malicious is a different story.)  The point is that racism, or sexism or homophobia is not a barrier to comedy, but that wasn’t the intent expressed by the author.  Blindly defending provocative humor so viciously, without leaving room for dialogue is no better than blindly dismissing it.

  21. EveryoneInTheWorld

    July 10, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Shut up cunt.

  22. Me_In_Jersey

    July 10, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Frankly, Kessler gave you too much credit. 

    You actually state in your rebuttal above “Schumer’s racist statements” without actually providing any. Her jokes in her act are clearly not, at least for people capable of critical thinking. Please provide concrete examples of “racism” or apologize immediately.

  23. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    YaleCohn CanaDigg DrStaceyPatton To answer your question, I invite you to read Karen Brodkin’s “How Jews Became White Folks and What That Says About Race In America.”

    Also read Eric Goldstein’s “The Price of Whiteness: Jews, Race, and American and American Identity.”

    Also read Matthew Frye Jacobsson’s “Whiteness of a Different Color.”

    And for a good discussion of Jewish people’s participation in blackface minstrelsy see Eric Lott’s “Love & Theft: Blackface Minstrelsy and the American Working Class.”

    I have no problem with opinions.  I’m just someone who appreciates that they are grounded in knowledge and facts rather than pure emotion.

  24. EthanMars1

    July 10, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    DrStaceyPatton And yet you chose not to gather ANY facts before you wrote your article.  Way to go!

  25. YaleCohn

    July 10, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    DrStaceyPatton YaleCohn CanaDigg

  26. JackMitch

    July 10, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    So http://www.livefyre.com/profile/84057634/ likes Bill Maher, an actual racist, but has a problem with Amy Schumer? I guess that’s the joke?

  27. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    EthanMars1 DrStaceyPatton The facts were based on media accounts of specific racist quotes that Schumer made!

  28. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    Foggy_Otis I had no idea that you are a white guy until you identified yourself as such. So how could I possibly pre-judge you?  I wasn’t even directing my comments at you.  That you reacted in such a defensive way and chose to express it by blaming me is telling. There’s a psychological term for that.  The DSMV manuals call that “projection.”

  29. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    DrStaceyPatton   I could respect, if not totally agree, most of the opinions you expressed…. until you LOL’d yourself.  Sorry, took me right out of it.

  30. YaleCohn

    July 10, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    DrStaceyPatton If a white person is in the woods, by themselves, and they say something, and there’s nobody around to hear them say it, are they still racist? Also, how many microaggressions can dance on the head of a pin? Asking for a friend.

  31. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    Me_In_Jersey DrStaceyPatton I cited her comments on Mexican laborers, and Mexican men as rapists.  Reading is fundamental.

  32. EthanMars1

    July 10, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    DrStaceyPattonWhich are not based on her personal beliefs, yet a comedy routine.  How does someone who is ‘intelligent’ enough to become a doctor become so socially unaware?

  33. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    DrStaceyPatton   You really don’t get humor, do you?  He didn’t LITERALLY mean him.  He was referring to your generalization.

  34. Me_In_Jersey

    July 10, 2015 at 3:27 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey Yes, those are known as “jokes”. You know, from her act which you’ve never seen.  You appear incapable of figuring out the difference between what is said on stage in an act and real life.

  35. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    EthanMars1 DrStaceyPatton I love how all you people try to use my educational background against me like it is a slur.  It is quite revealing.  Rather than engage in a robust debate about the ideas presented here, it is much easier for you all to hurl insults to compensate for those voids.

  36. Me_In_Jersey

    July 10, 2015 at 3:31 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey And considering the horrible things you say to people on Twitter – prior to ‘bravely’ hiding your account – you really have no case whatsoever to try and silence another person’s words.

  37. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    DrStaceyPatton You got what you wanted Stacy, to see your name in print and be a hero to ignorant race baiters all over the internet, how’s it feel to be a new face in the list of the modern plantation owners?
    You’re a low life piece of dogshit, and I don’t even like Amy Schumer, but you are a much bigger problem for race issues than she ever has been. 

    Keep whipping your people Stacy and blaming it on others

  38. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    BallPeenHammer DrStaceyPatton M’kay.  Thanks for my afternoon chuckle.

  39. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    Me_In_Jersey DrStaceyPatton Love how you trolls are so mad about not being able to read my tweets.  The lack of reading comprehension and analytical skills here is stunning.  Thank you for letting me know how upset you are.  I’ll add your tears to the vat in my basement.

  40. Foggy_Otis

    July 10, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    “You people!?”

  41. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Foggy_Otis Yep!  You people on this thread who are using my educational background in a flaccid attempt to insult me.

  42. Banalbany

    July 10, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    Man, this article needs a proofreader. Commas, spelling. Oy.

  43. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey 1 person mentioned your twitter “all you people”.  1 person mentioned you being “doctor”.  “All you people use my education against me.”    Who’s projecting, Ms. Patton?   (You’re not my doctor, I only call MY doctor that).

  44. EthanMars1

    July 10, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    DrStaceyPatton There’s nothing of intellectual consequence to discuss with the likes of you.  You take things out of context, can’t even research properly, and sully the title of Doctor by acting the way you do.  You’re a fraud.

    Have fun sleeping at night.

  45. YaleCohn

    July 10, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    DrStaceyPatton There’s a million things folks could hold against you long before your educational background (did you maybe mean “education,” doctor?) even comes into it. And there’s no debate to be had with folks like you. You’re just the latest in a long line of unimaginative scolds spit out of a hopper at the butthurt factory looking for something to get offended by so you can pat yourself on the back for being so enlightened and sounding the klaxon call of alarm like some buthurt Paul Revere while trying to shame and browbeat anybody who disagrees with you with spurious accusations of racism.  Assuming, of course, they’re a different color than you. Which, come to think of it, is pretty damn racist, you racist! Physician, heal thyself.

  46. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    Rerand DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey Lucky for you that I’m not your “doctor.”

  47. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    EthanMars1 DrStaceyPatton Then why are you in the discussion, boo boo?  Your silence would have more effectively demonstrated your point.  I sleep very well, thank you.

  48. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis Nice sexual dysfunction innuendo… last refuge of the content bankrupt debater.

  49. EthanMars1

    July 10, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    DrStaceyPatton You can’t even understand how people respond to your own statements.  Christ you’re hopeless.

  50. YaleCohn

    July 10, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Do you have a separate vat for white male tears and one for the tears of everybody else? I hope not, because segregation is wrong.

  51. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    Rerand DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis Interpret it how you wish.

  52. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    YaleCohn DrStaceyPatton Nope, just one big ole vat!

  53. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    DrStaceyPatton   You chose the word.   And I can understand how you can elicit that kind of response.   (See what I did there?)

  54. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    EthanMars1 DrStaceyPatton Yep, hopeless.  Got more insults for me?

  55. Me_In_Jersey

    July 10, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey See, silly, we CAN read them. They’ve been recorded and saved. You aren’t going to get away with “memory-holing” your hatred of people who simply disagree with you.

    But the larger point is that you made an outrageously unsupported claim against Schumer. That’s YOUR projection, “doctor”.

  56. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    Rerand DrStaceyPatton Yes, I did.  How you choose to interpret them is up to you.

  57. YaleCohn

    July 10, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis You should probably use a trigger warning before using the word “flaccid.” Please make a note of it for future reference.

  58. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    Me_In_Jersey DrStaceyPatton Shrugs shoulders.

  59. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    Christ, can someone stop this?  This is like a gang rape of a ugly retarded kid.

  60. EthanMars1

    July 10, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Nope.  I’m sure you’ll get enough thrown your way for acting the way you do.  I just wonder if there will ever be a time where you’re reflective enough to ever consider they may not just be insults.

  61. Me_In_Jersey

    July 10, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey At least you’ve finally admitted that you literally have no idea what you’re talking about with regard to Schumer’s act and so-called “racist” comments. That’s a start. Now’s the time to start an *honest* discussion about comedy and race.

  62. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    EthanMars1 DrStaceyPatton I always say that writing about race is like being an exorcist.  You get to see all kinds of ugliness come out of people who hide behind the anonymity of the Internet to say things they would never muster up the courage to say to someone face to face.

  63. EthanMars1

    July 10, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Yup.  Look at you go.

  64. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    Me_In_Jersey DrStaceyPatton LOL.  Nice try.  The shoulder shrug was for you.

  65. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    EthanMars1 DrStaceyPatton I’m not the one hiding.  I’m not the one calling anybody a cunt, dog shit, dick head, etc. here.

  66. Me_In_Jersey

    July 10, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey I’ll treat you like you treated Schumer:  no, you’re lying about the comment.

  67. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    Me_In_Jersey DrStaceyPatton M’kay.

  68. jjfeinauer

    July 10, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    DrStaceyPatton I think one question that’s pretty valid is, why not watch some of here show? I agree that the fact you didn’t become completely familiar with her routine doesn’t automatically void your argument. And I think your assertion that you are a trained scholar of racist language, and you were assessing that and not the “comedy” aspect also makes perfect sense. But it does seem like, if only for due diligence, it would be necessary to watch some of her show, get a feel for how she handles social issues overall. Especially, I think, because it’s so easy. Her show, in almost its entirety is available online. 

    As I said earlier, I agree that the claim you were unqualified to comment is unfair, but as you can see in all these comments, a good chunk of criticism probably could have been avoided. At least that’s my take. Be interested to hear if you have a particular reason you didn’t find it necessary.

  69. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey Hey, don’t bring M’kay into this… I miss that guy.

  70. jjfeinauer

    July 10, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    DrStaceyPatton *her show.

  71. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    jjfeinauer DrStaceyPatton Again, I spent time reading a number of articles and reviews of her show.  I did hear the clips of her making the racist jokes.  After reading those pieces and listening to those clips, I had no desire to watch her in action.  I’m not saying that she’s not a good comic.  And I’m not even saying that she’s a racist.  I never said that.  But those jokes she told were racist.  You don’t have to be a rabid racist to hold racial prejudices.  

    When I do have free time to watch comedy, I have my favorite go-to people that I watch and generally they are Black comedians and other comedians of color.  I’m generally not into white humorists, with the exception of a few comics. 

    As for those comments, whether or not I watched her shows is a moot point.  I’ve been writing about race for a long time and based on my experience the criticism, name calling and all, would still ensue.  I actually appreciate the fact that you raised valid questions without the nasty racist vitriol.

  72. JeffMc2000

    July 10, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    DrStaceyPatton EthanMars1 “The facts were based on media accounts”. That’s a great quote.

  73. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    DrStaceyPatton  I think you’d be hard pressed to find a lot of “racist vitriol” in these exchanges (other than what you’ve manufactured in your own mind).  Plenty of misogyny, I’ll grant you.

    I started out willing to listen to you.  In fact, I criticized the author for being a bit out of line with her attack.  But your performance on this thread, albeit with some provocation, left no room for sympathy to your position.  In my opinion, the Amy Schumer jokes were racist, but that’s not necessarily bad.  If you don’t agree, that’s fine.  But you’ve lost any credibility to any moral high ground with your churlish responses.

  74. YaleCohn

    July 10, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Are you suggesting my screen name isn’t a real name? Why? Because it doesn’t mesh with your preconceived western notions of what “real names” are? That’s pretty dehumanizing, doctor. And probably anti-Semitic, too, if you look at it the right way. For shame, I say, for shame! Is there a safe space around here? I feel a cry coming.

  75. jaydeflix

    July 10, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    DrStaceyPatton While I understand that you read accounts of her show, you don’t think that in order to form an opinion of one’s words, you shouldn’t review the work in context? I mean, consider Patton Oswalt’s two part tweet storm a few years back (http://www.dailydot.com/lol/patton-oswalt-two-part-tweets/). One could easily take any of his statements as offensive out of context, but by viewing the entirety of the work, you’re left with a better understanding of the statement.

    And no, I haven’t read all of you work, nor do I want to. My concern is with this particular article and the fact that you’re not opinion-ating on the event first hand, but instead on second hand accounts. jjfeinauer

  76. JeffMc2000

    July 10, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    DrStaceyPatton jjfeinauer You should really not be doing this here. You wrote the article, it is what it is. Let it stand. You’re not making it better.

  77. scholarscott

    July 10, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    But, Dr Patton, that’s not how art works. That’s not how jokes, narratives, testimonies (personal or legal) or any of this works. You cannot rely on secondhand accounts in order to bolster your own interpretation; more importantly, as a scholar and a thinking person, you shouldn’t WANT to do so, because what you essentially wind up giving is an interpretation of an interpretation. Hearsay. That’s thirdhand, and it’s not good enough.
    It’s no better than skipping your assigned reading but brushing up on your cliffs notes, showing up to class talking more often and loudly than people who actually read the book. Surely, in the classroom, you’d find that deplorable.
    You mention caring about context: what about caring about *text*?

  78. sespiomatic

    July 10, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    EveryoneInTheWorld DrStaceyPatton I’m sure Amy Schumer would appreciate this particular defense.

  79. DanZee

    July 10, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    I think the most important part of the piece is that the Washington Post pressured this woman to write a piece on Amy Schumer despite her entire lack of knowledge concerning the comedian. Is this how the Washington Post solicits its Op-Ed pieces? From writers whose views they approve of in advance to provide opinions The Washington Post is too afraid to put forward itself? After all, as the writer of this article points out, it would be hypocritical of the Post to advocate free speech for a fellow publication while denouncing free speech from Amy Schumer! So it gets a willing minion to do it.

  80. sespiomatic

    July 10, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    “we couldn’t help but wonder why the Post would aim its rather sizeable artillery at this particular target, at this particular time?  Why comedy and why Schumer?”

    Ugh. Fallacy of relative privation.

    Hey, Interrobang, I can’t help but wonder why not aim your artillery at, I donno, writing about how bad cancer is? I mean, clearly you don’t care enough about fighting cancer if you have time to write articles like this, right? Clearly you think that this issue deserves more concern than cancer, since you passed up on the opportunity to write about cancer.

  81. queen_redqueen

    July 10, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    DrStaceyPatton You really need to read scholarscott comment about art. And then maybe have a period of reflection

  82. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    scholarscott What part of “I listened to the clips of Schumer making the racist jokes” didn’t you all understand?  I listened to the clips, even heard folks in the audience boo her.  When she called Latinas crazy at the MTV awards, I saw that, along with Jennifer Lopez’s response.  I read multiple reviews of her work and the media commentary around her racist jokes.  I didn’t need to watch any of her other shows to make an informed opinion about racist statements she made about Mexicans.  Period.

  83. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    scholarscott And art has long operated as a core feature of racial objectification in American culture.

  84. DrStaceyPatton

    July 10, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    queen_redqueen DrStaceyPatton I’d be happy to put together a syllabus for you on the history of race, art, and popular culture.  Perhaps you should engage in a long period of getting your knowledge up.

  85. queen_redqueen

    July 10, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    DrStaceyPatton queen_redqueen Do I need to read those books or should I rely on “the Guardian”?

  86. Betty pierce

    July 10, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    DrStaceyPatton You calling out someone else for being condescending. Wow. Your lack of self-awareness is staggering.

  87. JonathanDBrown

    July 10, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Before demonizing an artist as a racist and as a bigot, you need to do your research. You did not do your research. You failed as an academic, a scholar, and a writer.
    This has nothing to do with race. You blew it.

  88. scholarscott

    July 10, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    You’re mistaken about the amount of work you needed to do in order to write in an informed way about any sort of art; it’d have been worthwhile to have a fuller sense of Schumer’s racial humor, to understand, in a broader way, what kinds of jokes she’s making and why. And THEN to pose your critique, which might have been fuller, more nuanced and less clickbaity/reactionary. For the record? Your sentiment isn’t entirely wrong, but your evidence and your lack of rigor in exploring that sentiment mean your piece wasn’t nearly as smart as either you, your subject or your audience deserved. You’re a scholar. Please rise above the clickbait; if YOU don’t, no one will.
    But even supposing you were right to give her work short shrift, you do surely understand that claims about racist speech — especially in the midst of our current moment — do not get publicly interpreted as “what she said was racist.” Because the public, however wrongly, interprets these things as full-on claims of *racism*, you do owe it to your subject (and your own intellectual integrity) to watch more than a few clips and piggyback on the opinions of others.
    Example. Did you see the recent review, in The Economist, of Ta-nehisi Coates’s new book? — how they condescended to its epistolary format, completely overlooked what he was doing with black literary traditions, and simply didn’t “get it”? Dr Patton, this is you.

  89. RobPup

    July 10, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    Ah, racism in America. The crutch and excuse used by those who are lazy or just self absorbed. Because of the horrible atrocities created by the occupants of this country who were white, we all must be just as racist as they were because we too are white. What’s funny to me is that the ancestors of most of the white people in our country weren’t even here. How many people immigrated (legally) to this country in the early 1900’s? Quite a few and I’m pretty sure none of them were slave owners where they came from. They worked hard and had families. Why must their children and their children be included into the same category as those horrible people because of our skin color? My parents came here in the 60’s from Sicily. They had nothing to do with the slavery that happened in this country. They taught me treat people like I would want to be treated and if they give you a reason not to like them, then you move on.
    So many black people died trying to reach equality and have the same rights as everyone else. Did they die so their children’s children can kill each other on the streets? Did they suffer so they could be given opportunities to be something in life only to shun it away so they don’t get accused of being too “white”?
    But wait…that makes me a racist…not because I’m talking about what I’ve seen from experience, but because I’m white.
    Now I know these things happen in all races but the excuses aren’t prominent like they as the excuses some black people use.
    There hasn’t been a slave in this country in over a hundred years and yet everyone acts as if it was just abolished yesterday.
    Everyone wants equal rights yet you want the right to say a word that you say I have no right to say. That’s not equality, that’s self serving BS. The news won’t even say it even when’s it’s in the proper context. It’s their job to report the news and are afraid to do it properly. What if someone doesn’t know what the N word means? Your job isn’t being done properly.
    But no…we must pander to the self absorbed few who feel their opinions and their feelings should be heard and catered to. Why? Because now your irrelevant opinion can seen and heard easier than it used to? Because you get a thrill out of trying to ruin someone’s life that you don’t agree with? Maybe if you put an ounce of effort into something other than yourself ,maybe you will take a moment and try to understand when someone says something wrong or stupid, it might have not been intentional or purposefully malicious. But no…you must tear down all their hard work and credibility because ‘you’ were offened. You are the horrible person…not the accused. Do you really think we can live in a world where no one will ever be offended? I’m offended every day by other people’s stupidity. But guess what…that’s life. I move on.
    Maybe we should get a petition to make stupidity a race so that when someone calls me a racist…I can proudly say…YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I AM!

  90. Betty pierce

    July 10, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    DrStaceyPatton jjfeinauer “And I’m not even saying that she’s a racist.” 

    To quote your childish acronym, LOL. No, you just vaguely insinuate that her comedy helped cause the Charleston massacre. WITHOUT EVER SEEING HER ROUTINE. 

    If one of your colleagues reviewed a book without reading it, I wonder what you would say about them?

  91. scholarscott

    July 10, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    It has, and that’s a nice general point, but again, you’re offering context when what we’re asking for is a thorough, useful reading of the text.
    And please spare us the syllabus remarks. The last thing someone under intellectual scrutiny needs to do is claim the have the upper hand, intellectually.

  92. queen_redqueen

    July 10, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    What on earth is going on with the American intellectual left? Oh to have George Orwell living in such times!

  93. DaveSirus

    July 10, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis Dear God you’re bad at comebacks, no wonder you hate comedians.

  94. Ken

    July 10, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    Dr. Stacey Patton and Debra Kessler deserve one another. Hacks, both.

  95. Atiya

    July 10, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    Apologies in advance with typos writing this on my phone. First big ups to you for replying on a comment board. Personally I would have discussed this with an oped on your end because a lot of people on comment boards are just out for an attack and not a discussion.
    Secondly I can understand your irritation with said author. Intersectionality with poc and white feminists is a thorny path. They usually seem like an extention of a helping hand then they trip up.
    Now in regards to you not seeing Amy’ s work, yet having an opinion on it. Well it’s not great. It’s like how anita sarkeesian discusses video games but has admitted that she doesn’t play them. Well that makes the discussion difficult due to the fact that she is a feminist critic on seixism in video games. You have to play to know. Now yes this is apples and oranges. But your job isnt a critic on comedians. Your job is completly different. You make a valid point. Comedians need to be aware that they use stereotypes to their own benefit, to make money. I don’t find Amy Shumer funny she had a great writing team. But she’s not very funny. It shows in her stand up because usually when a white female comedian uses sexual experiences with people of color to me I find it easy prey. Not talent. Let’s take a look at Seinfeld who had no fucking (sorry for thr swear)clue about Apartheid in South Africa until Trevor Noah had to tell him. Did it leave me a little speechless. He had all that time to crack open a a book. I was 9 when I learned about that horrible, still relevant time in history. In a way I’m glad, it make me see who these people really are and who I should and will support. Bobcat Gothwait. I’ll support you should check him out he’s actually a pretty awesome human being. Amy not so much. It’d like you said a joke at the expense of another race is just that. Which means they are still juvenile in their material. Louie CK I have issues with him too, did find a way to be creative and though full when discussing racial tension. I don’t believe in censorship, but be smart about it. Anyhow that’s all I wanted to say.

  96. ryanfromindiana

    July 10, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    I’m assuming this lady is a Dr. like Dr. J……not a real doctor right?

  97. casedot

    July 10, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    sespiomatic look, there goes the point of the article! It just went right over your head!

  98. SeanWilkinson

    July 10, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    DrStaceyPatton So you criticize the writer of this article for cherry-picking when you’ve done the same thing? By taking her quotes as “racist statements” without watching (at least) the set that contained those jokes you’re not giving her or the audience enough credit. The whole point of those jokes was to make fun of the character she was portraying on stage (an ignorant white woman) and audiences are generally smart enough to pick up on that kind of thing. Whether or not you like that kind of act is certainly another matter, but kind of irrelevant.

    You use Louis C.K. as an example. You know who’s said awful things that could be completely taken out of context and misconstrued as advocating those viewpoints? Louis C.K.

    “Rape is not okay, unless the person doesn’t want to have sex with you. Then it’s totally okay. What other recourse do you have?” -Louis C.K. (paraphrasing)

    Does he actually believe that? Of course not. You’d be insane to think so.

    Also you believe that the “statements” can’t be removed from the context of the racist history of this country, yet you’ve removed them from the context of her act…. What?

  99. casedot

    July 10, 2015 at 5:22 pm

    DanZee This is how most publications solicit Op-Eds.  They couldn’t care less about what it says, they only care about ad revenue they get from clicks.  Journalistic integrity has transformed into “make as much money for our shareholders as possible” and if you get your news from main stream sources you are doing nothing but contributing to their ad revenue goals.

  100. casedot

    July 10, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Wow looks like someone’s button was pressed.  Don’t like getting called out on not doing your homework eh?

  101. mrbill66

    July 10, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    Can we use the C word here….if not, OK, but think  you understand.

  102. casedot

    July 10, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    DrStaceyPatton EthanMars1 so you’re facts were based on social media posts?  Niiiiice.  I’m guessing you used other “media accounts” and “facts” posted in social networking comments for your doctoral thesis right?

  103. JM

    July 10, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    It appears that Dr. Patton put more effort into defending herself in the comments section than she did researching the subject of the original op-ed.

  104. CharlieMartin2

    July 10, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    DrStaceyPatton  Frankly, how dare you complain about the “spin” after you admitted to pushing this notion without a single hint of evidence, having never, even once, seen any of Shumer’s routines?

  105. MikeBreslin

    July 10, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    Nailed it!

  106. casedot

    July 10, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis you’re right, you were not prejudging him specifically, you were prejudging the entire audience on this site because you must assume everyone reading this article is white, the same way you assume black people don’t like Schumer because some social media posts you read.  Sounds like someone has some prejudices they need to work out… it’s not like only white people are laughing at her rape jokes.

  107. MikeBreslin

    July 10, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    If I’m not mistaken, she’s a PhD. As I mentioned on a separate thread, only somebody in academics could have come up with the bafflingly tortured perspective provided in her original op-ed. This latest revelation about the lack of research that went into it explains a lot.

  108. casedot

    July 10, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    Rerand Did you not read the whole thing?

  109. DrCallMeDoctor

    July 10, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    DrStaceyPatton

  110. DrCallMeDoctor

    July 10, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    DrStaceyPatton I’m amazed she thought you “mean well.” You’re just some deranged bigot who can’t stand anyone who doesn’t have the same skin color. You call everyone else racists and then complain that people resort to name calling. “Whitesplaining?” Get over your own bigotry before you start hurling abuse at others.

  111. MassJim

    July 10, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    queen_redqueen Intellectual left = oxymoron

  112. BeauDure

    July 10, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    DrStaceyPatton EthanMars1 It’s because your academic background is clearly fraudulent.

    You know what most people call it when they judge others based on looks and whether your friends have heard of her? PREJUDICE!

  113. MikeBreslin

    July 10, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    Seriously? You’re based your analysis on secondhand information you saw in other media outlets? Is this reflective of the level of research and fact checking you do as a reporter for the Chronicle of Higher Education? Troubling, if so.

  114. BeauDure

    July 10, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    Can someone explain to me why the comments are letting the Post and Mike Madden off the hook? They solicited and published this crap.

  115. MikeBreslin

    July 10, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    “Reading is fundamental” is not an effective comeback from someone who doesn’t do their research properly. The comment above was right – you are really bad at comebacks.

  116. Rerand

    July 10, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    MassJim   The oxymoron is American intellectual.  It’s nothing to do with right or left.  America has given up its critical thinking skills entirely.

  117. YotaruVegeta

    July 10, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    WHY would she? She’s an unfunny parody of a liberal who has an agenda to push. I also believe that she’s the real racist we should be afraid of. Fuck her and her dumb opinion piece.

  118. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    @JM of course she did, she explains why it’s okay for her to be substandard and it’s my fault

  119. YotaruVegeta

    July 10, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    BeauDure They constantly publish this crap. People like this have written before. They don’t stop it because I guess their readers eat it up.

  120. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 5:53 pm

    DrStaceyPatton You’re welcome, I assumed you wouldn’t be able to comprehend it anyway. And even if capable you couldn’t ever spit out that meal ticket and admit it’s true.

  121. weagle1969

    July 10, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    Interesting, so a basic tennant of your piece is that only white folks are racist. In your long winded screed, I failed to notice any knowledge of oft used race jokes by black/Hispanic whatever, comedians. Oh, and I don’t mean self depreciating racism. You seem to think that any words that might imy racism must be just that, but only if done so by white folks.
    No intent here to imply it must be ok b/c everyone does it, but instead it’s simply comedy. If you want to end supposed racism, you just might get a little more respect/support by first knowing your subject and two get off the SJW white people are bad bandwagon and point out the hypocrisy of most SJw’s most all of whom chose to ignore the same rampant racism being exercised by the very individuals who cry foul the loudest.

  122. AfroD

    July 10, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    My main takeaway from all this is how easy it must be to become a doctor these days. Just pick some nonsense discipline and apparently anyone can do it!

  123. weagle1969

    July 10, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    Like the previous poster stated, you failed to get the facts you require of others. Your reply is a cop out, it’s someone else’s failt b/c they gave the quotes. You failed to trust but verify and one would think a PhD would at least attempt to garner context. Epic fail.

  124. JohnDoe94615

    July 10, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    DrStaceyPatton scholarscott “it’d have been worthwhile to have a fuller sense of Schumer’s racial humor, to understand, in a broader way, what kinds of jokes she’s making and why.” This deserved a much more intelligent response than saying that race has served a core feature of racial objectification. It literally has nothing to do with the points raised by scholarscott.

  125. JohnDoe94615

    July 10, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    DrStaceyPatton”it’d have been worthwhile to have a fuller sense of Schumer’s racial humor, to understand, in a broader way, what kinds of jokes she’s making and why.” This deserved a much more on-point response than saying that race has served a core feature of racial objectification. It literally has nothing to do with the points raised by scholarscott.

  126. weagle1969

    July 10, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    Ah, perpetual victimhood, every word is a slur, every look a micro aggression. By your words questions why a degreed accountant can’t add two plus two is a slur. No wonder the left has become a plethora of fragile snowflakes, requiring safe rooms and puppy dogs simply because white people and males exist in this world.

  127. PatLoudoun

    July 10, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    Stacey Patton locked her twitter feed the other day. Take a wild guess why.

    Back when you could read her feed, you would find that she is an unrepentant bigot. Who could have seen that coming?

    Heh. I’m kidding. Anyone with a thimble of common sense would have seen that revelation coming.

  128. weagle1969

    July 10, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    You mean like you did with a couple of partial quotes? Nice.

  129. ihasch

    July 10, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    DrStaceyPatton -Whitesplaining? Are you for real? When you need to resort to such long-winded blather to defend yourself, you have already lost. You publicly attacked  and smeared a young woman based entirely on a second hand account without bothering to properly research the target of your bile. The end. Was it incompetence or malice? If you are going to publicly accuse someone of racism (or reifying racial stereotypes or some other euphemism) maybe do your freaking homework. The logic and thesis of your entire op/ed was laughable. And now Schumer’s comedy act causes rape as well? Part  of the zeitgeist and all. Anything else?  I think it is time to up the medication. 

    SJWs like yourself are always the same. Complacent. Devoid of any sense of empathy or decency. Self-righteous. Humorless. Often hysterical. But most of all a bully. You attack others but then cannot take it when someone hits you back. So know you become unhinged. What you did was unprofessional and embarrassing. No amount of verbiage is going to change that. Deal with it.

  130. Ericmay2432

    July 10, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    Whatchu mean YOU PEOPLE? I’m tired of your racist blacksplaining. In all seriousness though, you are a divider and a true racist

  131. weagle1969

    July 10, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    Pot, kettle, slur (see above).

  132. DrCarter

    July 10, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis I hope you realize how problematic the use of the word “flaccid” is.

  133. weagle1969

    July 10, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    @DrStacy
    If you generally prefer black comedians then you are obviously rather fine with the existence of rancid racism, so long as it isn’t from a white person of course. As a PhD, I’m sure you know the term for accepting racism from one but not the other. To deny just as much racism comes from the mouth of black comedians, well, head, sand, la la la.
    The real problem is rather obvious, perhaps you should give Rachel a call; she can help you transition.

  134. HabibGeorge

    July 10, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Hhh

  135. Legal Eagle

    July 10, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    Dr. Patton, you are narrow minded and a BULLY! I notice that you did not send your Infamous IDS goon squad to do your dirty work and attack this white writer who dared to challenge your writing. However, you had NO problem siccing your goon squad on the Black female Christian writer who dared to challenge your views on forgiveness (you know who I am talking about!). This is very telling and you should be ashamed of yourself…”sista.” Waiting to see how long it takes for you to start calling those who oppose your views in this space “trolls,” your favorite word to describe those who disagree with you.

  136. caseypickles

    July 10, 2015 at 6:18 pm

    Binary Daoist That’s an insult to heads of  penises.

  137. reverendcaptain

    July 10, 2015 at 6:20 pm

    The totalitarianism the left has in store for us is amazing.  And to think, so many welcome this.

  138. Legal Eagle

    July 10, 2015 at 6:21 pm

    SMH, I knew it was only a matter of time before the good “Doctor” started calling people who disagree with her “trolls.”

  139. BeauDure

    July 10, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    reverendcaptain To be fair, it’s not really totalitarian because this isn’t someone in a position of power. Back when it was unpatriotic to question the drumbeat to war, THAT was a bit closer to totalitarianism.

  140. AriShaffir

    July 10, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    DrStaceyPatton EthanMars1 It’s $5 to get the entire unedited special. I know you’re not normally a journalist, but you gotta do some research by yourself instead of trust op-ed pieces as source material. Just moving forward, if you write more pieces, that would be a good idea.

  141. caseypickles

    July 10, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    ihasch DrStaceyPatton Wow, Dr. Stacey, you have a lot of free time! You remind me of Suey Park. You two should get together sometime. You can blacksplain the world to her and she can koreansplain the world to you.

  142. AriShaffir

    July 10, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    The Washington Post loves copying the Guardian. They wouldn’t publish the Snowden story until someone else did it first. Now they’re asking people to write stories about other people’s stories. This is why they’re becoming irrelevant.

  143. JoelAnderson2

    July 10, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis You know, it’s funny. Speaking as a comedian, I’d argue that a lot of these misunderstandings stem from people projecting racism and racist attitudes onto comedians and their audiences. I’d argue that this is precisely what you’ve done here. If you understand her joke as aggressive and insensitive, your interpretation makes some sense. But if you understand as coming from a place of love, as something between friends, it’s something different.
    This would be why actually watching the joke as performed, in the context of the set, the joke’s delivery, and the way Schumer has presented herself as a performer are all crucial to understanding its meaning. A key element of performing stand-up comedy is molding and managing the audience’s expectations. You have to anticipate and hear what they’re projecting onto you as a performer and use it, play with it. It’s a delicate, complex, and nuanced balance.
    What YOU read when you see that joke, written out without the inflection or emphasis she adds as a performer, has so much to do with what you’re projecting onto her and her audience.
    All I can say is that, for me personally, I’ve been at clubs when someone told a joke that the audience read as being actually racist. It’s brutal. It’s a wall of judging silence that is positively crushing.
    I have studied history (though obviously not as extensively as you) and I understand the context that you’re talking about. I just think you’re assuming a lot about her audience that’s just not true most of the time. I think a lot of the people laughing understand what you’re talking about, they just appreciate a particular artistic aesthetic she’s deployed.

  144. HabibGeorge

    July 10, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    let a mexican comedian make a joke about sexually harrassing a drunk white woman at a bar based how she was dressed . lets see how these comedy “specialists” would feel now. Everyone wants to push bounderies as long as it doesnt touch their special interests.

  145. mark81150

    July 10, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    BeauDure reverendcaptain you mean like now?
    .
    When it’s “unpatriotic, unAmerican, and racist” to question the sanity and corruption, the incompetence of THIS president?…Virtually everyone making your argument, is perfectly fine trying to dehumanize and destroy Obama’s very valid critics.. when they were criticizing Bush it was a terrible thing to do..
    .
    BTW.. there is NO quote from Bush making such a claim….. but you can find reams of text of Obama doing exactly that…. He called us “hostage takers, terrorists”, and outright accused us of “not liking a black president”…. 
    .
    which is it?……. terrible when it’s against democrats (allegedly)….. but unicorns and rainbows when done to republicans?… the same standard for everyone, or don’t even bother….

  146. mark81150

    July 10, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    @Legal Eagle she essentially called blacks who disagree with her, race traitors…. “self loathing”.. maybe they just have a sense of humor and don’t have a stick up their butt……
    .
    but that’s not her narrative… is it?

  147. BeauDure

    July 10, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    mark81150 BeauDure reverendcaptain “Bad” (which is what I’d say about some of the “Obama critics are racist” arguments) is not the same as “totalitarian.”

    But thanks for the assumptions. Or, you know, prejudice.

  148. BeauDure

    July 10, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    FWIW, here’s what Schumer actually had to say about it.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/amy-schumer-apologizes-racist-joke-807066
    She was playing a character. I get that, and most of the readers here probably do. But she knew some people wouldn’t, so she stopped.

    In other words, she’s being responsible. Not just out for cheap clickbait at the expense of a celebrity who’s doing some good.

  149. Betty Pierce

    July 10, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    mark81150 BeauDure reverendcaptain And there it is. The one asshole who has to come along and make it about politics. Ugh.

  150. mark81150

    July 10, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    AfroD When the ONLY purpose of your degree is teaching that same course to another person to get that same useless degree, which has no other reason to exist…
    .
    you know that the social sciences have become nothing but a huge con game…

  151. beagleboy

    July 10, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    ” I don’t doubt that Dr. Patton means well.”!! Apparently Kessler never read Patton’s defamatory article and can still make this foolish assertion after author Patton admits she did no research, has never seen Ms. Schmuer’s TV show or seen even one of Schumer’s live shows and further Patton admits she has no interest in comedy. Something anyone who read Patton’s aberrant article knew upon reading it.
    Thus I wonder which is worse Patton’s ignorant original defamation or Kessler feigning to be a reporter interviewing her about it as if it had any merit.

  152. reverendcaptain

    July 10, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    BeauDure totalitarian as in “This is an example of the ideals we hold and will enforce when we are in power.”  people can dream.

  153. reverendcaptain

    July 10, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    Betty Pierce mark81150 BeauDure earth to betty pierce, this entire debate is about politics.  Sheesh.

  154. segesta65

    July 10, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    “Social Justice Warriors” never, ever actually mean well. For them, the goal is shutting up dissent to their viewpoint, nothing further.

  155. segesta65

    July 10, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    BeauDure reverendcaptain You forget the amount of respect given to anti-war clown Cindy Sheehan–who was made to disappear the day Mr. Obama was inaugurated. The left was never anti-war, they were just anti-Bush.

  156. semilore2007

    July 10, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    DrStaceyPatton I,like you am still waiting to see the “satire” in Schumers joke. The people who have come out against your article seem to be doing so in the defence of Amy Schumer and comedy in general which isn’t what the article was about. You clearly wrote about how jokes like that that seem harmless succeed to further perpetuate dangerous strereotypes that have historically been used to oppress POC in America for decades. These comments are sad for a few reasons, mainly because once again the feeelings and complaints of minorities towards these are seen as “whiny” and further remove the validity of our feelings. 

    I’m reminded of Sarah Silvermans joke on Conan where she used the word “Chink” which as we know is a racial slur often used towards chinese people. Upon making this joke she recieved plenty of backlash from the chinese community in the US. Silvermans excuse echoes the same narrative that we’ve seen here in these comments and what POC see everyday, “Racist jokes can unite people across groups”. The question I would like to put towards Ms Kessler and those in this comment section is this, why is it that you get to decide what POC take offence to? Have you stopped to consider why Louie CK, Chris Rock, Bill Burr etc. haven’t been called out on their “racist” jokes? It’s because they make jokes to address the absurdity of racism, they constantly challenge the status quo while addressing racial injustices in our society. schumer’s joke mearly added to the deep well of comfortable racism that as POC, we aren’t allowed to be offended by.

  157. RyanArko

    July 10, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    Saying Obama is a Kenyan monkey is by far not the same as questioning his policies. Inventing Texas invasions, imaginary gun grabs, and pushing bs claims that he’s the vacation president or the executive order tyrant is nowhere in the same ballpark as condemning drone abuse, NSA surveillance, or bailing out Wall Street.
    Your entire claim is shameful straw manning.

  158. Ronjon

    July 10, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    Oh wrong doctor. The fact that you spent so much time penning a reply, reveals how thin skinned you are and how much this bothers you. Comedy is supposed to be broad. Don’t like Amy don’t go see her. Your views are irrelevant to her fans.

  159. GuiterrezJones

    July 10, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    DrStaceyPatton I can’t help but notice you cite “Kings of Comedy” as one of the few pieces of standup that (according to you) African-Americans are largely familiar with.
    At one point in Bernie Mac’s set, he made this joke, while referring to his adopted six-year-old nephew:
    “And the six-year-old — HE’S a f**got. (laughs) Don’t no six-year-old walk like this here! (does exaggerated “gay walk” to huge laughter)”
    Based on your logic, was Mac culpable for justifying/promulgating violence and discrimination against gays? After all, A-As as a demographic are MUCH more anti-gay than their white counterparts, and African countries are WAY more oppressive of their gay populations in comparison with European countries. Again, using the standard you held Schumer to, was Mac explicitly endorsing/promulgating homophobia with that joke, and — given the history of A-A discrimination against gays — is it worse that he said it, purely by virtue of his race?
    Interested to read your response.

  160. RevComX

    July 10, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    This doctor claims to be a fan of Richard Pryor, which means she must have understood the satire he used when performing jokes with racial themes.  Yet she doesn’t seem to think that Amy Schumer is capable of the same?  Not a well thought out criticism!  But then again, when you have never actually seen or heard the comedy “in context”…of course you don’t have a clue!

  161. Ronjon

    July 10, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    There are Doctors and then there are doctors. Usually PhDs who have only book experience and don’t contribute much to society except CO2.

  162. reverendcaptain

    July 10, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    DrStaceyPatton is an expert on whitesplaining.  Only a racist can come up with a definition of the term.

  163. smittymolly84

    July 10, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    Clown? A mother whose son died in a war based on lies and chose to speak out against the war isn’t a clown, she’s a patriot. And to suggest that the left wasn’t anti war just anti bush is ridiculous.

  164. cwskinner158

    July 10, 2015 at 9:16 pm

    MikeBreslin Not so much tortured as sloppy and un-researched. Particularly bad form for an academic.

  165. RandallFelton

    July 10, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    I think it’s time to strike back. We need to DEMAND she lose her job at the Washington Post. Do those online petitions ever work? How do we accomplish this?

  166. Tonnyboy

    July 10, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    BeauDure  What you mean is she pussed out.  She didn’t defend the fact that it was comedy and a satire of stupid women who say stupid things.  I totally lose respect for comedians that allow the offended to dictate their material and apologize for some slight.  Pretty soon nobody will be allowed to say a damn thing that is not part of the approved groupthink.

  167. caseypickles

    July 10, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Do you have a problem with Russell Peters? I’m really curious.

  168. ggncandme

    July 10, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    So if Schumer is doing satire, what/who is she satirizing with the joke about Mexican men raping white women? Is she satirizing women who claim Mexican men routinely rape women? If so — where are these women making these claims? If they exist, I’ve never heard of them or such accusations. Is she satirizing women’s rape claims in general? That seems pretty unlikely, but possible I suppose.

    Perhaps the author of the article can explain what the comedy satire is with this specifically. Please advise.

    Oh, wait. My bad. I forgot that people like to just slap “comedy” and “satire” on anything nowadays, to repel the notion that they are actually laughing at the literal joke. You know, the “I’m not a racist, I’m laughing at the satire!”, even when what’s being “satirized” is not even explainable.

    Own your shit, Schumer and other whites who like to laugh at racist jokes. Stop with the lame magic wand of “satire”, when it’s clear to anyone with an IQ above 100, that satire has nothing to do with it.

  169. @Ezraizms

    July 10, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    This is seriously ridiculous. I’m glad the truth was uncovered. Its gaining traction.

  170. Jrat

    July 10, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @ggncandme I can see why you’re confused, you seem dumb as shit.

  171. vacivilwar

    July 10, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    Not only that, but this so-called professor that co-wrote the article also has made outrageous racist statements on her (now private) Twitter feed: http://twitchy.com/2015/07/10/wtf-so-that-harpy-who-said-amy-schumer-inspired-dylann-roof-well-guess-what/

  172. reverendcaptain

    July 10, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    ggncandme I support your vilification of whites in this comment.  It’s the only way to combat racism in comedy.

  173. DonnieTobasco

    July 10, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    DrStaceyPatton JokeOfASpecies Or is it like exorcism in that it’s a completely fraudulent “solution” to misdiagnosed phenomena?

  174. DonnieTobasco

    July 10, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    JackMitch Bill Maher is racist? What makes you say that?

  175. Binary Daoist

    July 10, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    I like when people I like comment on sites I like

  176. cb

    July 10, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    The Washington Post Editor is a feckless right wing fake of a journalist. He is out to be the Fox of newspaper journalism. Its as simple as “clickbait”. But that what you get when Amazon owns you.

  177. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    @cb yes, obviously far right wing, good job spotting it Sharpton

  178. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    BeauDure the American left believes themselves incapable of racism or totalitarianism, while proving themselves to be by far the more haphazardly intolerant ideology at every turn

  179. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    smittymolly84
    keep holding up these heroes to your ideology and keep wondering why people laugh in your face

  180. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    So how did the old-timey plantation masters keep their ‘property’ from wising up and rising up and killing them in their sleep? by scaring them into submission with lectures of worse things out there beyond the fences.  Stacey is just keeping the tradition alive

  181. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    HabibGeorge Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  182. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    mark81150 she’s standing there with a whip hoping they don’t take it from her and run her off her plantation, her power only exists by making them feel powerless without her

  183. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @cb Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  184. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    ggncandme Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  185. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    sespiomatic Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  186. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    Atiya Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  187. BallPeenHammer

    July 10, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    semilore2007 Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  188. JohnReece

    July 10, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    After vilifying Schumer for  smearing Mexicans with jokes about Mexican rape culture  Dr. Patton at the end of her WaPo article nonetheless complains that 80% of Latin American women and girls are raped passing through Mexico to the US.

    Her statement would seem to confirm Schumer and Trump actually are on target about Mexican rape culture.

  189. BrittaWolfrum

    July 10, 2015 at 11:53 pm

    Dr. Patton, first of all, I’d like to say that I feel like it seems pretty clear that you’ve been, rather unfairly, thrust into a position in which you are being attacked for an op ed…for your opinions. I suppose that’s an inherent risk when your opinions take the form of a published article in a major publication, but before I tell you my unwarranted opinion on your opinion, I’d like to say that I appreciate your insight as it made me truly stop and consider these jokes differently.
    I won’t lie; I’m a very big fan of Amy Schumer and have been for some time. I absolutely agree that the jokes you wrote of, context or not, when typed out and left to read are racist. When I laughed at them, when I heard them the first time, I absolutely laughed/groaned and it was certainly an “ugh she’s so right…ignorant white women are terrible”. I certainly understand the idea that however it’s framed, the joke is perpetuating a stereotype and that even if you can see that it’s white people that schumer is degrading at the core of the joke, that perhaps it’s simply detrimental period. I can certainly understand that argument and I enjoy that it has made me think twice about something I wouldn’t have before.
    I don’t think that people who do good in one way are exempt from criticism for things they don’t do well, but I suppose that my difficulty with this article was simply that Amy Schumer is challenging so many important topics, fighting so much patriarchal bullshit and never while claiming to be anyone’s messiah. As a woman who has been a victim of sexuality violence, rape jokes have been something that have always bothered me, but watching Schumer nail it on rape culture in this 3rd season of her show was amazingly empowering. I know you haven’t seen it and that you may have no interest in seeing it, but it made me feel like I had a fighter in the ring for me. I don’t think she’s perfect. I know she’s made jokes that made me uncomfortable and that she’s made jokes that just plain weren’t funny and my harshest criticism would actually be that her whole “ignorant white woman” bit is not so gently lifted from sarah silverman or even done way better by amy sedaris in “strangers with candy” but at the end of the day, what I feel that ive watched, in the few years I’ve become familiar with Amy Schumer, is someone who is growing and getting better with every episode and every performance. She is speaking for feminism; she is speaking for rape victims and she is not infallible and she has made jokes that failed, but of all the comics out there, and especially the few women, she is someone who I believe is truly smart enough and funny enough to be mentioned the way that you mention good old st. Louie.

  190. reverendcaptain

    July 11, 2015 at 12:02 am

    BrittaWolfrum Oh great, let’s decide which comedians are the most empowering and decide they’re funny.  This is the kind of thinking that kills comedy.

  191. BrittaWolfrum

    July 11, 2015 at 12:20 am

    @reverendcaptain that wasn’t my intention. I am simply trying to convey that there are seemingly countless articles recently attacking shows like OITND,broad city and amy schumer and, in my opinion, these are comedians and writers who are, to me, not mindless bigots and therefore I find it frustrating that there are these constant take downs of how they’re not doing what they’re doing well enough or enough period. I think what kills comedy, more than worrying who’s most empowering, is this sort of precious coating of “comics can say whatever they want and talk about whatever they want”. I think that’s true, but I also think it’s true that it’s going to create discussions and alienate people and sometimes it’s bullshit and sometimes it’s progress. I love pointless humor. I’ll take Seinfeld or hedberg any day of the week, but vilifying people who are clearly trying to express a deeper meaning is confusing.

  192. davidkozat

    July 11, 2015 at 12:27 am

    Please comedians stop apologising for some asshole not liking your jokes, George Carlin would be turning on his grave

  193. sldsnak4

    July 11, 2015 at 12:35 am

    DrStaceyPatton JokeOfASpecies Out of context, all jokes look bad in print. Not doing any research shows how shallow your original piece was. I’m sure louis ck and richard pryor’s Mexican jokes were okay and not racist but heave forbid a white woman has some.

  194. kaplan

    July 11, 2015 at 12:58 am

    smittymolly84 Ha ha, sure. It’s ridiculous that Obama expanded all of Bush’s Orwellian terror policies and his “anti-war” base gleefully re-elected him anyway. In 2012, there weren’t enough Democrats to play a game of solitaire who cared about the Patriot Act, the FISA Amendments Act, extrajudicial assassionations, warrantless wiretapping, undeclared wars, the NDAA, and on and on. The pathetic partisan lemmings went so far as to remove opposition to these policies from the Democratic party platform.

    Instead Obama ran on identity politics, which has given credence to sanctimonious tattle tales like Stacy Patton for the past 3 years.

  195. JaneAgriculture

    July 11, 2015 at 12:59 am

    Why am I not surprised by this? 
    This is as bad as when religious conservatives said The Last Temptation of Christ was awful and blasphemous, and later admitted to never seeing the movie.

  196. JaneAgriculture

    July 11, 2015 at 1:02 am

    DrStaceyPatton You’re just as bad as religious conservatives who hated The Last Temptation of Christ, but who later admitted to never actually seeing the movie.

  197. JaneAgriculture

    July 11, 2015 at 1:04 am

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey You’re the one who’s crying, Doctor.

  198. WilliamHenryRice

    July 11, 2015 at 1:15 am

    America in general – and ‘white’ America specifically (though how meaningful the word ‘specifically’ is when speaking of more than a hundred million men, women and children from at least a hundred ethnic identities) – enjoys and learns from comedians of just about every ethnicity and colour there is. If I understand Dr. Patton correctly the same cannot be said of black Americans. Does she mean to say that when it comes to comedy black Americans are less inclusive? As a Canadian, in a neighbourhood with a diverse black community (of families from throughout Africa – Ethiopian, Nigerian, Congolese) I’m not familiar with this. Here everyone is ready to laugh warmly at humour regardless the colour of the speaker. And here we tend to lead in laughing  
    at ourselves – “you won’t believe the truly stupid thing I did today” is another expression of the attitude that’s behind our greeting strangers with “sorry” – we can presume no offence was meant because we are always reminding ourselves and others of exactly how awkward and bungling we so often are. 

    It saddens me that Americans choose hateful fear rather than hopeful courage – and doing so turn homes to bunkers out of fear of the neighbour who is just as irrationally afraid of them. It is pitiable that a people with a legacy like yours live with your hearts burdened by what is no less than betrayal of your constitutional legacy 
    and of the humanity it aspires to.  

    America! Tear down those racial walls. (And while you’re at it those sexual walls too. Make it a clean sweep.)

    Just saying.

  199. tripleogtim

    July 11, 2015 at 1:16 am

    DebraTope The vast majority of violence against minorities is not committed by white people. The violence is against themselves. No one will defend the guy that shot the church up in South Carolina, but to pretend that it was caused by a flag or jokes create some kind of culture that permits things like that is ridiculous.

  200. tripleogtim

    July 11, 2015 at 1:19 am

    Just like she didn’t need to hear the context that the jokes were in, I didn’t need to read her article to know it was a lazy attempt at race baiting. And it worked, congratulations?

  201. HumpX

    July 11, 2015 at 1:22 am

    she is essentially accusing those blacks who don’t fall in line with her politics as being Uncle Toms.

    Thats all you need to know about this woman. Im sure her doctorate was gotten using racial guilt instead of rational thought.

  202. HumpX

    July 11, 2015 at 1:25 am

    ggncandme perhaps YOU can take a moment and watch the routine to understand the CONTEXT of the joke instead of just reading posts and op-ed pieces. Moron.

  203. DanielLatham

    July 11, 2015 at 1:45 am

    DebraTope You’re missing one critical distinction: “this” Amy Schumer is not making minorities the butt of the joke. She is satirizing casual, unthinking White privilege. If you don’t get satire, then you’re always going to be taking umbrage at exactly the wrong things. Admittedly, you do have to be a fairly sophisticated comedy consumer to catch Schumer’s satire, because the indicators that she is shifting into it are in her subtle change of tone of voice and body language. But the indicators are there. And your hero Dr Patton is certainly no “comedienne” if she does not even bother to try to grasp this.

  204. HumpX

    July 11, 2015 at 1:47 am

    DrStaceyPatton pretty easy to guilt white academia into giving up the lambskin eh Doc? Your typical guilting of whites falls in line with the other so called black “intellectuals” who can’t seem to come up with any other method of solving the plight of “blacks in America” than writing guilt pieces like this. All the while accusing other blacks who are hip to your garbage as uncle Toms. Instead of looking for the day when reparations will come (never), try to actually come up with a plan to help ‘your people” get to a place where every immigrant has been able to acclimate in the past 200 years. Maybe you can suggest to black male teens to stop killing each other and everyone else instead of looking for some white media person slipping up and saying the “N” word.

    Until then you are a pox on your people, far more damaging than any black who you imply is an Uncle Tom. Oh, and as an Hispanic male, I don’t need YOU or any of black academic to defend me or speak for me. Worry about your own weak, sorry self.

  205. DebraTope

    July 11, 2015 at 2:13 am

    BallPeenHammer DrStaceyPatton  Look PeePee Hammer – y’all just make Stacy’s FB friends laugh and laugh and laugh.

    I never knew the US was so full of arrogant butthurt white people but when I started posting articles on racism they came out of the woodwork. Which is when I totally lost respect for many of my fellow white citizens. 

    I am going to continue to educate people on racism and Dr. Patton is going to continue to write incisive articles on racism.  For those who are actually aware and sensitive enough to care.   Trolls don’t matter.

  206. WilliamJJackson

    July 11, 2015 at 2:23 am

    So one long winded white whine about being called that evil, dirty “R” word.

  207. tripleogtim

    July 11, 2015 at 2:24 am

    DebraTope tripleogtim The flag is stupid. Jokes are funny, a lot of people laugh at inappropriate jokes not because of deep seated hatred, but because they are poking fun at a serious topic. I didn’t use black on black as an excuse, it was an example of a real issue. I read an FBI statistic (Iwould cite it if I remembered where) that white people are more likely to be killed by another white person. 

    I will also stand by that the confederate flag did not cause that guy to shoot anybody. Racism doesn’t make you a killer, mental illness does. We can all pretend that removing a flag and funny jokes will cure mental illness but it will ultimately do nothing but galvanize stupid people

  208. WilliamJJackson

    July 11, 2015 at 2:25 am

    tripleogtim DebraTope
    the good old “black on black crime” concern trolling. 
    intra-community crime is how proximity works.

  209. Veseng

    July 11, 2015 at 2:26 am

    DebraTope “Why are white people (myself included) so quick to become accusatory and defensive when race issues are mentione…?” 
    Perhaps it is due to decades of denigration of “white culture.” You know, the culture that made the USA one of, if not the most, successful countries on earth.

  210. tripleogtim

    July 11, 2015 at 2:30 am

    WilliamJJackson tripleogtim DebraTope I don’t actually care about black on black crime, I just see that as a much larger problem than “racism in comedy.” I live in a nice small city with very little crime in any of the neighborhoods besides pills and heroin which seem to be everywhere

  211. semilore2007

    July 11, 2015 at 4:25 am

    Veseng DebraTope Oh yeah the culture of Genocide, slavery etc. The culture that upon freeing the slaves, created the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and scare black and Native american people away from most urban areas into poor housing areas, creating the ghettos you see today. The very same culture that didn’t give african Americans full human rights until 56 years ago. the same culture that instead of giving these ghettos schools, shops, proper facilities and resources chose instead to ignore them. 

    Nobody denigrates “White culture”. It is not the culture that convinced Dylan Roof to shoot up a church full of black people, it isn’t white culture that made Amy Schumer make a racist joke that lacked any sort of satire. People hate white-supremacy. That is what still causes racism in our society today but whenever a POC calls out racism in any form people like you and about 90% of the commenters here are the ones that invalidate our feelings and tell us that it’s “satire” without actually explaining the satire that is supposedly there.

  212. queen_redqueen

    July 11, 2015 at 4:45 am

    semilore2007 Veseng DebraTope “that made Amy Schumer make a racist joke that lacked any sort of satire.”

    Amy was being satirical. Not liking a joke doesn’t mean that it stops being satire.

  213. semilore2007

    July 11, 2015 at 5:28 am

    HumpX ggncandme I watched the routine, in fact I bought her CD and still have it to this day. There was no context to the joke it was just her making fun of asians, jews, African americans etc. There was no satire to speak of.

  214. ManfredCoates

    July 11, 2015 at 5:30 am

    DebraTope Schumer is just not funny and someone is promoting her for some reason. Her racist jokes serve no purpose and the humor is missing. Regarding America I give it no hope when it comes to an undrstanding with the Black American population. The chances have come and gone and white people were simply not clever enought to catch on. There will be a day when all of this hate comes out on to the streets and perhaps American will begin to realize.

  215. semilore2007

    July 11, 2015 at 5:34 am

    queen_redqueen semilore2007 Veseng DebraTope  My point was that it wasn’t satire. She herself has said it wasn’t a good joke. It’s people like you that once someone calls out racism they get defensive.
    Her jokes were more on par with irony than satire and ironic racism is still racism.

  216. queen_redqueen

    July 11, 2015 at 5:40 am

    semilore2007 queen_redqueen Veseng DebraTope I’ve no problem with people calling out racism. But I do have a problem with people who think calling out something as being racism is justification enough for it to be racist.

  217. HandredeJager

    July 11, 2015 at 5:56 am

    DonnieTobasco DrStaceyPatton JokeOfASpecies god this is a great fucking comment. Love ya Don

  218. HandredeJager

    July 11, 2015 at 6:08 am

    DrStaceyPatton Me_In_Jersey Hahahahaha! You’re so intellectually dishonest it’s ridiculous

  219. cobrastriesand

    July 11, 2015 at 6:38 am

    I really like Amy Schumer, I even kind of like this joke, but other than insisting that Schumer and comedians in general are all well-meaning liberal souls, Kessler never explains what this joke means, or how this joke isn’t racist. If it had been, “I would date Mexican guys, but I prefer consensual” the subtext would be, ‘look at this dumb, racist, white girl who thinks all Mexicans are rapists’ – a lamer joke to be sure, but one that would have actually satirized racism. But it’s “I used to date them . . . ”  and I can’t imagine how to read it other than – ‘this dumb white girl dates Mexicans because she has no self worth, so little in fact that she’s can only barely be bothered to protect herself from their natural rapey-ness’. It’s not a joke about a white woman who’s afraid she’ll be raped by Mexicans, it’s a joke a white woman who has been. Perhaps repeatedly. Maybe even by different Mexican rapists. 

    Maybe its 51% misogynist and 49% racist. By virtue of its darkness and terrible politics it’s a little bit funny, but it’s still pretty much exactly the joke Patton and Leonard describe. 

    This article is a veritable roller coaster of slippery slopes ‘How can the Washington Post defend Charlie Hebdo, and then also print an editorial that correctly identifies a joke about Mexicans being rapists as racist? And then correctly identifies the fear of rape as a particularly volatile aspect of racism!?’ Yeah, I have no idea.

    This business about needing to locate a 9 word joke, in the context of a comedian’s oeuvre, (‘If you really knew my friend Amy you’d see that she actually a great person!!’) seems to miss the point jokes in general. You don’t need a degree in Amy Schumer studies, when you can just think about what words mean.

  220. queen_redqueen

    July 11, 2015 at 7:18 am

    cobrastriesand Stop. Over. Thinking. Things

  221. RossBrown1

    July 11, 2015 at 8:14 am

    cobrastriesand  Her entire act is one of a un-selfaware racist, opportunist, amoral bimbo.  It’s not who she is anymore than Stephen Colbert is a conservative, blowhard television pundit.
    Poe’s Law is thick around here.

  222. Nobbly Stick

    July 11, 2015 at 8:41 am

    It is appalling that Madden says ‘Probably because of that Guardian piece’. I assume that
    he was referring to the UK Guardian which is the propaganda
    organ of the radical morally inverted self-loathing extreme UK
    left. I always thought that WAPO has editorial integrity.
    Trailing behind the propaganda organ of the radical
    morally inverted self-loathing extreme UK left is truly
    suicidal. The Guardian survives on the monies from the Scott
    Trust. But it will run out soon. It has lost its subscribers due
    to the negative obsessions that it has so clearly displayed
    relating to the United States of America, The UK and Israel

  223. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 8:52 am

    WilliamHenryRice Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  224. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 8:52 am

    DebraTope Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  225. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 8:52 am

    WilliamJJackson Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  226. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 8:52 am

    cobrastriesand Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  227. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 8:53 am

    ManfredCoates  Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  228. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 8:54 am

    semilore2007Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  229. Fred Beloit

    July 11, 2015 at 9:04 am

    @Nobbly Stick writes: ” I always thought that WAPO has editorial integrity.”

    It does, but it has the twisted integrity of the Left. All propaganda, all the time.

  230. Jrat

    July 11, 2015 at 9:10 am

    Racism is just as bad or worse in most other counties around the world. We just happen to be the focal point because of our shit fuckn media that thrives on negativity, and our government who sticks their nose is everyone else’s business. Btw we can’t be like Canada we’re to busy protecting your punk asses.

  231. Jeffhas

    July 11, 2015 at 9:27 am

    Hmmm…. So when blacks tell jokes about White People (or Mexicans, or Jews), those are just funny, right?

  232. Jrat

    July 11, 2015 at 9:27 am

    That’s it, spend all your time worrying about the harmful things white people say to keep all the minorities down. That should help the on going violence in black neighborhoods, I don’t have any stats but I’m sure they read something like this.
    – blacks killed by police or white people= a handful
    -blacks killed by other blacks= thousands
    Or something like that. Instead of trying to scare and bully whites into believing they’re racist and should feel guilty, why don’t you focus on fixing the real problem.

  233. rvail136

    July 11, 2015 at 9:30 am

    Jeffhas its always acceptable for black/hispanics/etc to make any sort of joke they wish. Its only racist if a white guy/girl does it. After all, Eric Holder said minorities cant be racist…

  234. rvail136

    July 11, 2015 at 9:31 am

    @Nobbly Stick ” I always thought that WAPO has editorial integrity.” Since when? WaPo has been part of the propaganda arm of the DNC for 40 years…

  235. caseypickles

    July 11, 2015 at 9:34 am

    Jrat You are right about that. I’ve seen it in many other countries. The most surprising to me was when I was in Fiji and discovered that the Fijians and Indians cannot stand each other.

  236. caseypickles

    July 11, 2015 at 9:34 am

    DebraTope Oh yeah, Dr. Stacey sounds like a million laughs.

  237. rvail136

    July 11, 2015 at 9:37 am

    @cb dont get out much, do you?

  238. rvail136

    July 11, 2015 at 9:38 am

    RandallFelton she doesn’t work at WaPo, she’s just and occasional editorial writer.

  239. caseypickles

    July 11, 2015 at 9:42 am

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis boy, you lie a lot, don’t you.

  240. LeahDoner

    July 11, 2015 at 9:56 am

    caseypickles Jrat Wow, you didn’t know there have been at least three military coups in Fiji since the 1980s that deposed governments the military considered too “pro-Fijian-Indian” and that the country’s laws were amended to end equal rights for Fijian Indians?

  241. LeahDoner

    July 11, 2015 at 9:59 am

    . DebraTope tripleogtim  Just because you’re too dense to understand satire, doesn’t mean all people of color are.

  242. cobrastriesand

    July 11, 2015 at 10:02 am

    RossBrown1 cobrastriesand That’s a good description of her character, but it doesn’t contradict the way the WashPo editorialists or I described the meaning of the joke.
    If the character she’s working with ‘would date a Hispanic’, but they are afraid of being subject to nonconsensual sex, then you could argue, as Kressler seems to be trying to, that Amy Schumer the comedian is using this un-selfaware racist, opportunist, character to satirize dumb white girls who are comfortable disseminating even the most vicious stereotypes.
    But the actual joke as its written is that she has dated Hispanic guys, and they have subjected her nonconsensual sex. So the world of the joke doesn’t make sense without an actual Hispanic rapist. It’s not enough to say it’s just the character’s stereotype of a Hispanic rapist. The character is alluding to something she’s actually experienced

    And according to the character Schumer’s using it’s not even really that big a deal, just something she’d rather not do anymore. And this is firmly grounded in attitude that white women who date outside their race are self-hating (an important aspect of a lot of Schumer’s personas) and consequentially easy targets for black and brown predators.

    Do have a different interpretation of this joke? Dressler didn’t provide one, to what I hope will be her lasting shame.

  243. LeahDoner

    July 11, 2015 at 10:02 am

    semilore2007 queen_redqueen Veseng DebraTope Irony and satire aren’t mutually exclusive, sweetie. Just because it’s irony, doesn’t mean it’s not satire.

  244. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 10:41 am

    semilore2007 Veseng DebraTope Yo, are you that dude who called up Opie and Jimmy the other day? If not, you and he could be buddies. “Noboby denigrates white culture” Except in all the instances where all these white people are being called racist. 

    Maybe people invalidate your feelings because when it comes down to it, going for comedians is not a blow against “white supremacy” If Amy Schumer is a proven racist off stage, then sream racism all day, but she’s been on the scene for a while, and we’re talking about one joke. Comedians write hundreds of jokes in their careers.

  245. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 10:45 am

    Jeffhas If the audience laughs, it is. There are two types of jokes: funny and not funny.

  246. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 10:47 am

    rvail136 Jeffhas This “definition” of racism is a scott-free card for black people who want to deal racism to people without retribution. It’s nonsense.

  247. AtheistLuvXmas

    July 11, 2015 at 11:05 am

    “Dr” Stacey Patton also said black people can’t be racist on her Twitter. (Before she locked it down)

  248. Ronjon

    July 11, 2015 at 11:05 am

    The reason Fijians hate Indians is because Fijians have a functioning sense of smell

  249. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 11:13 am

    AtheistLuvXmas Because she doesn’t want to get Amy Schumered over shit she said! What a lovely educator.

  250. LeahDoner

    July 11, 2015 at 11:16 am

    Ronjon I bet smell isn’t the only reason people hate you.

  251. Ronjon

    July 11, 2015 at 11:21 am

    You’re probably right, but I’m rich so I don’t care

  252. Veseng

    July 11, 2015 at 11:25 am

    semilore2007 Veseng DebraTope Slavery has been around a long time, not just in the US and it is
    still around in Africa and elsewhere.  As for the KKK, that and the
    urban mess is mostly a Democrat party mess.  It was Democrats that were the party of slavery.  The KKK was the Democrats
    enforcement wing and most urban ghettos are in Democrat controlled
    cities.
    White culture is denigrated in many places. For
    example, blacks in many cities will call out another black who studies
    hard as acting white.  And of course in colleges the left doesn’t want
    stuff like the US declaration of independence studied because it was
    created by old dead white men.

  253. LeahDoner

    July 11, 2015 at 11:26 am

    Ronjon Sure you are, Rimjob. Sure you are.

  254. rvail136

    July 11, 2015 at 11:36 am

    DebraTope tripleogtim Horseshit.

  255. kaplan

    July 11, 2015 at 11:36 am

    DrStaceyPatton
    Hey Doc, why is your twitter private? Can’t handle the banter?

  256. kaplan

    July 11, 2015 at 11:44 am

    DrStaceyPatton 
    Dear Comedy Ph.D: Please post 5-10 minutes of your stand-up routine! I really want to see how wit and humor is supposed to be done.

    Thanks!

  257. Gatoradecap

    July 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    cobrastriesand RossBrown1  This is a joke based on timing. It’s not an editorial where she has an agenda. Stop overanalyzing it. No one laughed at that joke and thought, “Oh my God! That’s so true! Mexican’s DO rape people all the time!”

  258. Ronjon

    July 11, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    Rimjob? No baby. I’m straight. I’m a professional and have been making mid six figures for over 20 years. Sorry to disappoint.

  259. Ronjon

    July 11, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    That’s what I expect from you people.

  260. ashken79

    July 11, 2015 at 12:11 pm

    White liberals created the Racial Grievance Monster.
    Now its turning on them…Boo hoo.

  261. WilliamHenryRice

    July 11, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    Jrat

    Racism (and sexism and ugliness like homophobia) is widespread in those countries where religion guides national laws and personal attitudes. Superstition = ignorance – and prejudice is nothing if not acting on self-righteous ignorance. Throughout most of the developed world (the liberal secular democratic world) racist and sexist prejudice is far less common. 

    Discrimination – an entirely different issue than prejudice – is, sadly, far too uncommon across the secular democratic world. Prejudice is about folks judging others on idiotic criteria like sex, race + sexual orientation. Judging others by natural genetic qualities. 

    Discrimination, on the other hand can be either stupid or wise – entirely dependent on the completeness of our evidence and the quality of our logic. Discrimination based on crap (like any ‘master race’ or ‘chosen people’ mythologies) fails the ‘garbage in = garbage out’ test (in other words the discrimination done by Confederate States back in the 19th century failed both the tests of common decency and common sense. On the other hand discrimination against some blustering bubba with a ‘stars n bars’ on his bumper is perfectly reasonable since it evidences  bad character, attitudes, and behaviour. Shunning such a person isn’t merely ‘not bad’ it is ‘good’. Just like if you saw a bunch of guys wearing swastika armbands. Any decent person knows that it’s not just their right but their obligation as a decent person to discriminate and exclude them from any benefits that might flow from our acceptance. 

    Judging a person by their sex, race, or colour is like judging a book by its cover – it’s just plain stupid. Judging a person by their expressed thoughts and their actions is a sign of maturity and wisdom. 

    Across most of the developed world discrimination is largely based on concern about expressed intentions and values. 

    And stupid community values based on superstitious nonsense are the cesspool that bigotry draws its toxic nourishment from – a poison well that sickens all who drink of it. To avoid this pretty much all the developed world except America have constitutions that make basic human rights universal and equally there for all of us. 

    Doing so we’ve given freedom and equality the legal high ground (unlike in the U.S).

    Now to answer your laughable b.s. regarding ‘protecting our punk asses’. Laughable. 

    Firstly to deal with the punk bit: we aren’t the one’s swaggering around with a pistol shoved in the belt lost down under the world’s largest beer belly and man-boobs. 

    Secondly, and to the point: Protecting our asses from whom? There isn’t a nation on earth that looks at the logistical nightmare that is taking, holding, and profiting from  
    the occupation of the world’s second largest inhospitable climate and terrain combo. Get someone to do the business math for you. The bottom line for an invader is only ‘red ink’. 

    In fact the only nation that would even remotely consider invading (if they’ve done all the math) is . . .  the U.S.A. – because it doesn’t have to move vast armies across the world’s great oceans just to get a chance at conquering a geography that’s far more daunting than Siberia. (Not to mention that the U.S. is the only nation that’s tried that futile effort – in 1812. (Remember? We came down to DC and burned your capitol?) 

    Thirdly (and this just goes deeper into ‘secondly’) Out of kindness I usually try not to mention these . . . American military embarrassments. Since WW2 America’s fought some nations – with the exception of Granada and Panama with unimpressive end results. Vietnam. Smaller than our 4th smallest province. Iraq. Also smaller than our 4th smallest province. Iraq (again). And then Afghanistan. Barely 2/3 the size of BC both of them largely vertical (with the flatter bits full of raging rivers. The first? Was a total rout – full retreat. The second (and third) ? Kind of like digging a hole in water. The third, and most recent? Utterly ineffectual (just like the British and the Russians before).  At the bottom line all you have to show for that venture is a trillion dollar bill.
    (On top of the … two trillion for Iraq Pt2? – and nobody knows for sure how much for Iraq Pt1.). If the nation whose military has as large a budget larger than the GDP of  
    any but the G20 nations can’t accomplish it’s military goals in countries that fit on an island off to one side of the Canadian map (an old, respected and well loved island) we’re not exactly quaking in our boots about the runners up who either (Russia) are  
    in possession of all the land and resources they can remotely hope to exploit – else are eyeing up for conquest or more likely purchase some adjacent land (China). 

    The media aren’t your enemy – your national behaviour is – as shown by  the facts.

    And, hey, I love the U.S.A. (the one that honours their Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights. In spirit as well as letter.

  262. ashken79

    July 11, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    BallPeenHammer Race hustlers are turning on their White liberal enablers. Hahaha.

  263. ashken79

    July 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    DrStaceyPatton I’m just happy that race hustlers like you are increasingly turning your guns on White liberals. They created the Racial Grievance Industry in order to demonize conservatives,and it worked for decades. But now its their turn to feel Karma.

  264. ashken79

    July 11, 2015 at 12:45 pm

    DonnieTobasco DrStaceyPatton JokeOfASpecies Nice one.

  265. ashken79

    July 11, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    BallPeenHammer DrStaceyPatton HEY don’t call her DS for heavenssake! Show some respect here even if she’s wrong.

  266. ashken79

    July 11, 2015 at 12:55 pm

    DebraTope BallPeenHammer DrStaceyPatton Free speech means we have a right to call out unethical race hustlers like Patton. But there is no need to call her juvenile names like fat,ugly etc.

  267. Joann

    July 11, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    Unfortunately, your writting sounds just as bias. I saddened that it seems people like you refuse to get it. Dr. Patton is that the one in the wrong here. Dedicating a whole article to criticizing her vs. dealing with Amy’s comments or the issues in society tells me you want to make yourself feel better for finding those jokes funny.

  268. Joann

    July 11, 2015 at 1:19 pm

    CORRECTION: Unfortunately, your writting sounds just as bias. I’m saddened that it seems people like you refuse to get it. Dr. Patton is not the one in the wrong here. Dedicating a whole article to criticizing her vs. dealing with Amy’s comments or the issues in society tells me you want to make yourself feel better for finding those jokes funny.

  269. MichaelBrian1

    July 11, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    The writer calling Amy a Racist seems like a good speaker, If u want to book him to do a speech you can contact him via email:

  270. caseypickles

    July 11, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    LeahDoner caseypickles Jrat The internet is a wonderful tool.

  271. White Guy

    July 11, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    i’ve never seen Amy perform, does this make me black

  272. gasfarty2

    July 11, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    Weren’t there TWO writers to the article?  Focusing on one of the authors while ignoring the other seems like being guilty of the same thing this writer is harping about.  Also, the Washington Post writer is not the only person who has accused Miss Piggy for being a racist.

  273. JasonHale1

    July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    DebraTope tripleogtim So your stance is that “White people” with no consideration of their own history, should hate themselves, and their skin, and spend their lives wallowing in misery and shame themselves for being born white, and not voice the frustration, even through comedy? The issues should be discussed, should be joked about, and should not have rules from one race to another of what one can say and others can not. Slavery was ended. Equal rights are rendered by law. The only thing keeping these divisions in the limelight are those taking advantage of the unequal benefit using them as leverage bring to the unscrupulous and greedy. The fact is that the “playing field” has been equal for decades. What is left is competition. “Minority” status is a method of giving extra points to those claiming themselves as weaker or disadvantaged to start with. If any white at this point is able to get a job when tried against other candidates they should be allowed to be proud of their accomplishments and not make a mockery of all of their efforts to get their simply because a “minority” graced us with their presence that day. Proud to say against the odds, and all the discrimination held against me, I got that job.

    God forbid we make a few jokes about it. God forbid we even have the audacity to joke about our own history for everyone to here… Heaven forbid we bring up the fact that every “White” race has fought their way out of slavery; and that hundreds of thousands lost there lives in the place of slaves so that “African Americans” could be free, and did not have to go to war with their own brothers and fight to the death for their freedom.. Maybe we may even mention that the underground railroad was a network ran by whites to free those from oppression..
    Finally, maybe we are not given the credit that we deserve as we have, as a majority, and a majority of us have assisted in every progression that was ever made toward ensuring that minorities have the benefits they do, above our own interests, to ensure they have a shot because it was the right thing to do with no benefit to us. Then have us be told it is not enough from those liberated and built upon our works. That is the birth of new racism; as it is instilled upon those who claim disadvantage that something is owed to them, as they have ever been subject to any great dis-service in their entire life. Show me a run away slave, and I will give him my shoes. Till then, we are all in the same boat and live there of, and no one has earned a right to infringe upon the free speech of another.

  274. Jrat

    July 11, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    Try writing it a third time, maybe you won’t come off like an asshole on the third try.

  275. Atiya

    July 11, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    Actually I’m black, but you don’t really know me or my history. Like I said it’s not great that she didn’t watch amy’s material but her opinion doesnt make it any less valid. Comedians have a responsibility first and formost to be funny. If there have to make their material at the expense of other people to get a laugh and not in a intelligent way then they are juvenile talent. There is an interesting article about this topic on xojane.com. Take a look

  276. AfroD

    July 11, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    gasfarty2 The other one was smart enough to not do an interview

  277. chan

    July 11, 2015 at 5:36 pm

    there are people in the world who are dying and starving and this is what you’re angry about? Look at the world around you..

  278. Seriously_Shuddup

    July 11, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    Oh, but we’re all supposed to laugh when Jamie Foxx says it was awesome that he got to “kill a bunch of white people” during his SNL monologue? Comedians push boundries. Obviously if you’ve got a stick up your ass, comedy is not for you. I’ve heard worse on Family Guy. Quit getting offended over everything, America. Stop generalizing white people as a bunch of slave-owning rapists, too. Every race in history has ugliness in their past. EVERY race. You want to cry about slavery? Look up Irish Slavery. My ancestors were treated like garbage too. Am holding it against people that foamy actually commit the act? Nope. So, sit the **** down.

  279. LeahDoner

    July 11, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    Ronjon Uhuh. You’re a professional who thinks only gays give and get rimjobs, and you’ve been making the same salary for 20 years? What, not a single promotion in all that time? That’s probably because of your aversion to giving rimjobs. You gotta give a head to get ahead.

  280. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    Veseng semilore2007 DebraTope That was there old Democratic Party. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican at the time. The parties are not the same beasts as they were.

  281. Ronjon

    July 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    Maybe you do. I am in the upper 75% of pay for my profession. There are no promotions. I am a professional. Good god you’re stupid.

  282. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:19 pm

    ManfredCoates DebraTope It’s not “for some reason” if you’re not bringing in money (the bottom line) then no one will promote you. You can not like her comedy, but talking about her otherwise is ridiculous.

    How many “racist” jokes is she making, BTW? She’s not known as doing a lot of race jokes.

  283. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    ashken79 Foggy_Otis Again, I’d like to point out that this is not only an educator, but a person welcomed to write for the Washington Post.

  284. cobrastriesand

    July 11, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    Gatoradecap cobrastriesand RossBrown1 This is just a silly. Kessler spent like a thousand words slimming Patton for making note of the obvious racial implications of a 9-word joke, because she didn’t first watch enough Amy Schumer comedy, to understand that deep down she’s really a good liberal or something.
    And I’m saying, ‘I really like Amy Schumer, I love her Howard stern interview, I watch her show whenever I can. And looking at the 9 actual words of the jokes – it’s racist. It’s funny. It’s timed well. But it clearly IS premised on a shared assumption that Hispanic guys are prone to rape.’ Tell me how else you could read the words.
    But that would be “overanalyzing” cause “timing”? 
    Whatever.

  285. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    Let’s actually watch Amy Schumer do race jokes, shall we? 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRp3DJqDfOw

    If you take that as not being satire, you need your head examined.

  286. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    DrStaceyPatton JokeOfASpecies What about your own account? Youtube has been invented. Look up Amy Schumer’s content.

  287. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    DrStaceyPatton JokeOfASpecies Finally, one thing you wrote I can agree with.

  288. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    DrStaceyPatton jjfeinauer You also don’t have to hold racist prejudices to tell a racial joke.

  289. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Would you say that the only solution to such damaging humor is to forbid all comedians from performing racial humor? Or should only white comedians stop because, after all, only white people can be racists.

  290. Siccerson

    July 11, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    8===========D

  291. VerityJones

    July 11, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    What about following the first rule of  writing? Write what you know. Research, it’s not just a good  idea.

  292. GaryMccollom

    July 11, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    YotaruVegeta DrStaceyPatton  Well said, I simply don’t believe she is being as altruistic as many are saying and she is trying to claim in not so many words hence never having even been to her show to witness the audience or even watch the tv show to inform herself.
    This is why liberalism/progressiveness is out of control, they were sorely needed and maybe in some cases still are but some of the demonizing going on now is what happened to many of these people/groups in the past.

  293. smittymolly84

    July 11, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    I’m a progressive, liberal, leftist, and I personally find her ‘racist’ humor funny. I still like to think that most liberals find this type of racial humor funny and it’s a vocal minority. But then again, I’ve been called out as racist several times by liberals for using this type of humor. But I have to say, if I hear someone who’s racist say these things, it’s not quite so funny.

  294. smittymolly84

    July 11, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    White liberals have gone overboard for sure but I’d still rather be on their side of history than the bigoted conservatives, and yes most conservatives are bigots, who have supported systemic racism in this country for decades

  295. Gatortrapper

    July 11, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    Wow, the navel gazing while the house is burning of the American public is really sad. As if some universal epiphany is either possible or the least bit beneficial.
    The problem of “race” is an artificially manufactured one solely intended to distract people from the real crime of stealing your liberty. The current government irrespective of party affiliation is only interested in constant expansion of reach and authority over you. Rather than being a useful tool pulled out occasionally for limited use in limited contexts it actually impacts every waking moment of your life. And you folks want to accept race as an issue to absolve yourself from confronting what you know in your heart is the problem: the politicians and special interests. The laugh is on you.

  296. GaryMccollom

    July 11, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    cobrastriesand Gatoradecap RossBrown1  This is not the time or the place but perhaps you should educate yourself some more on rapes in general and the stats that they have, for instance, 1 in 5 women have reported being raped and 80% of them are white, would it not be within the realm of possibilities that this indeed did happen to her.
    The average age of rapists at arrest is 31. Fifty-two percent are white, so am I racist if I say that most rapists are white people or am I simply telling the truth and that’s without me even knowing these white people, presumably Amy knew these men.

    In the end, this story bothers me because of what/who this story is about, not necessarily this writer, Patton if off base plain and simple.

  297. Gatortrapper

    July 11, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    Then you’ll love sharing this one that I heard today from a good friend who probably qualifies as a red neck: “Why is so hard to solve “red neck” crimes? Because their DNA is indistinguishable and dental records are useless.”

  298. GaryMccollom

    July 11, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    WilliamHenryRice Jrat  Good lord buddy enough already, I would bet almost anything that you either taught our children at some point, ie: retired at 55 no doubt, or you are presently teaching somewhere because this the type of tinfoil hat crap many of our kids are going into the world with.
    I would love to see folks like yourself if Russia or China were the world’s super power, oh that’s right if you were loud enough we probably would not be reading your little “story”.
    Btw I am Canadian and while I will be fair and mention that you have a valid point or two the fact remains that I am simply embarrassed, especially when I know many of our educators think like you do.

  299. GaryMccollom

    July 11, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    cobrastriesand Gatoradecap RossBrown1  Lets not forget the Ms Patton that we are talking about here as well.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/29/why-is-america-celebrating-the-beating-of-a-black-child/

  300. JaneAgriculture

    July 11, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    caseypickles Jrat There are tensions between races other than blacks and whites.  There’s a deportation saga going on right now between the Dominican Republic and Haiti.  DR is trying to deport many Haitians back to their side of the island.  One could easily argue that Dominicans are being racist towards Haitians.

  301. JaneAgriculture

    July 11, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    YotaruVegeta DrStaceyPatton That’s a very complex, realistic question Yotaru.  “Doctor” Patton isn’t able to handle those.

  302. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    GaryMccollom YotaruVegeta DrStaceyPatton It’s all out of control. I wont let any party or political philosophy get a pass. I see the news of all sorts behaving badly.

  303. smittymolly84

    July 11, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    You are right about the southern democrats. They were very racist. And there are still a lot of racist democrats. But liberals, not necessarily democrats of which many aren’t very liberal, I feel are on the right side on social issues and acceptance of people from different backgrounds. But the knee jerk reactions by liberals when a comedian makes a harmless racial joke is pathetic. But not all liberals are that sensitive. and as for that washington post article, I’m more offended by the complete lack of journalism than I am of her complete lack of a sense of humor.

  304. YotaruVegeta

    July 11, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    GaryMccollom cobrastriesand Gatoradecap RossBrown1 I would think someone with a doctorate would understand that people are different, and not all people who are publicly beaten learn their lesson. The important thing is that there was someone there who actually cared enough to whoop their dumb ass. Some parents/guardians take it too far, but this young idiot deserved the embarrassment. 

    Maybe this kid will go on to…get an advanced college degree?

  305. melanie

    July 11, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    Hmm…maybe before such a date monsters didn’t care about race culture class or creed. They just ate and did all kinds of things to us to them selves and wreaked all kinds of havoc and just really were true man eaters. But um its looking like earth is going home bent broke and busted and we’re just going home. Fabulous clean and getting happy.

  306. melanie

    July 11, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    Check out photon belts and sew where earth is at….come on now evolve and be free. Don’t let it get to you. Race comments are just moot. Outdated!!!!!

  307. cobrastriesand

    July 11, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    GaryMccollom cobrastriesand
    If you google crime statistics it’s not hard to something that will re-enforce any position you want to hold. A quick search of “interracial crime stats” will take you to a lot of the same white nationalist cites that were cited in Dylan Roof’s manifesto.
    I think Dr. Patton is pretty on-the-nose when it comes to describing what Amy Schumer’s joke actually means, and despite being much more familiar with Schumer’s work and comedy in general than Patton, Kessler and the joke’s other defenders have nothing to say about the actual meaning of or impact of the joke itself other then totally facile appeals to satire and irony. The Schumaniacs actually remind me of the worst parts of the article you’ve posted a link to – “We can assume that hipster comedians only use racism to “comment” on racism ironically, because that’s part of  their cultural inheritance, as comedians, the same way we can assume that black mothers only beat their children out of fear of white supremacy, because that’s their cultural inheritance” not a lot of room for judgment or nuance in either position.
    But I’m curious as to why you think Dr. Patton’s off base with regards to Amy Schumer’s joke?

  308. PeatMoss

    July 11, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    This “Doctor” (of what, Bullshittology?) seems rather proud of her ignorance. If it wasn’t for nit, she wouldn’t have any wit at all.

  309. MikeLemmon

    July 11, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    Falsely claiming racism where there is none, is the equivalent of crying wolf.

  310. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    gasfarty2 Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  311. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    MichaelBrian1 Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  312. BallPeenHammer

    July 11, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    Jeffhas Hi and Welcome!!!!!

  313. WilliamHenryRice

    July 12, 2015 at 1:40 am

    GaryMccollom WilliamHenryRice Jrat

    Enough facts already? (You meant ‘too many facts for your lazy brain to process’ didn’t you?)  Just suck it up, fella. Be grateful some folks grow up to recognize how indispensable staring the cold hard facts in the face is. How it allows you to coast by without the education you scorn and would deprive others. 

    (Forgive me for talking over your head – but the only teaching I’ve done is to bright adults bright successful enough to afford my consultancy fees. The retired at 55 bit was close (I retired from my business at 50). That, in business, is the sign of having played a winning game.)

    In my post-retirement career as an unpaid volunteer anti-poverty advocate (doing everything from delivering new beds to men and women trapped in decaying skid row rooms to handing out food to desperately poor families to helping them connect with services – and, increasingly, articulating their realities to people invested in letting them fall through the cracks. Because of this activity I’ve invested much of my spare time this past decade doing the research – wading through international, national, provincial, and what local data has been amassed on the issues contributing to poverty. (Lost Gary a ways back there, I suspect.)

    Gary’s ‘tin hat’ comment is hilarious and ironic given that his response is a typical ‘tin hat’ spew of the sweeping ‘it’s them – they are the ones ….’ sort – discounting diverse data as if it were a single item. A sure sign of ‘tin hat’ ‘syndrome’ is lacking the attention span to rebut in point form (and being unable to form complete grammatically correct sentences). Enough Gary.

    All the points offered are verifiable with a single copy-paste (even to wiki) which Gary’d have learned if he hadn’t thought ‘history’ and ‘nap time’ are synonyms. 

    And as for that assessment of our invasion threat? Even Canada’s armed forces recognize that the threat of invasion is negligible to nil. There’s no profit in it for the invader – the debit side of the balance sheet outweighing by a country mile the credit side. Especially when, for a fraction the price, Chinese and American capital pools can buy the bits they want for much, much, less cash and bother. For example: Chinese purchase of major oil and gas resource companies and their holdings – or those Koch brothers buying a massive share of our tar-sands. 

    A typical Harper conservative – embarrassed by the very idea of thinking.

    Enough already. Thanks, Gary – that filled the ten minutes until we leave for all you can eat sushi. Time passes fast when you’re having fun – and even faster when you’re having fun and educating – because the mind – even Gary’s – is a terrible thing to waste. 🙂

  314. kaplan

    July 12, 2015 at 2:22 am

    semilore2007 DrStaceyPatton 
    If one person claims something isn’t funny and a second person laughs, the first person just lost the debate.

  315. Driverdude

    July 12, 2015 at 3:51 am

    Gatortrapper Let me be as clear as I can. I love government! Big government is the greatest thing that ever happened to this nation. The government, at it biggest, following world war 2, built for us, the greatest national infrastructure the world has ever seen. Your version of liberty is complete bullshit and simply doesn’t align with 21st century progress. Your version of liberty is available to you, just pack up and move your ridiculous self to Somalia, Ethiopia or Yemen, where there very kind of liberty that you desire is awaiting you, as is starvation, piracy, rape, genocide and disease. Send us a post card will ya? P.S. … You are incapable of reasoned thought, you might want to take advantage of the education system that Big Government has made available to you.

  316. BallPeenHammer

    July 12, 2015 at 9:13 am

    Driverdude Hi and Welcome!

  317. Gatortrapper

    July 12, 2015 at 9:25 am

    Ad hominem personal attacks on me for opining that the issue of race is a deliberate distraction from more fundamental threats speaks to YOUR lack of capacity not mine. Obviously I hit a raw nerve with my observation for it to generate such a personal attack.
    What’s funny is that you struggle to understand the very basic concept that the vast resource created by my preferred size of government is what sustained yours. But now having plundered the national fisc to the tune of $18 trillion in real debt and upwards of $100 trillion of unfunded commitments your model has bankrupted the nation. Typical of those lacking self awareness or a keen understanding of the long game you take umbrage at anyone who suggests the fault lies with your big government model.
    Let’s toss some numbers on the table duffus and see if you can keep up: historic rate of interest on national debt 5-6% versus zero bound Fed policy since 2009 leading to 2% rate on national debt at present or 1/3 of historic average. Can you keep up? FY2014 we borrowed $483 billion while paying $430 billion in interest at that low 2% rate. Any dots connecting for you yet? Didn’t think so…
    There are 2 principal issues with that… first the fact that you’re effectively taking cash advances on Visa to pay the interest ONLY on the MasterCard and adding to the principal debt accumulation, not retiring it. Second, the rate of interest will return to normal from 2% to 4-6% range at which time, as the short term instruments mature and paid they will be replaced with those with the higher rates. Can you keep up with this?… I doubt it but for others I’ll finish… The result will be an escalation in the debt service component that easily doubles or triples which would push that $430 billion to $860 or $1,290 billion. And having ravaged the taxpayer you’ll be having to cut your precious programs to pay the debt service or default like Greece or Argentina. What disgusts me is idiots like you who think you know so much and arrogantly demand we bend to you deluded thinking. You waste precious oxygen in the world with your every breath.

  318. Amsterclam

    July 12, 2015 at 9:28 am

    rvail136  The Washington Post editorial page has been leaning right since the mid-80s.  I know you saw All the Presidents Men but a lot has changed since then.

  319. section77

    July 12, 2015 at 9:57 am

    So it was a pre-determined hit piece that the author allowed herself to get talked into writing, although she had no concept of what the story was. Now she’s trying to excuse herself by saying it was right after Charleston, and she really felt like hitting someone.

  320. GaryMccollom

    July 12, 2015 at 9:59 am

    WilliamHenryRice GaryMccollom Jrat  Your arrogance is stunning though hardly shocking, I have to admit though for a second there you sounded like you were part of Queen Kathleen Wynne’s inner circle with that omnipresent liberal elitism that oozes out of you. 
    In future I would recommend you develop a thicker skin, perhaps you were simply not put together in a way that is conducive to rational thought and debate, sad for you because when one remains objective it is a really interesting way of expanding one’s knowledge, unfortunately in this case you have failed me but that’s ok I here Greece is looking for some new cabinet ministers, you will fit right in.

  321. DennisHastings1

    July 12, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    Gatortrapper He was right to criticize you. I didn’t take much for you to launch into name calling and saying “can you keep up?”, etc. Your last sentence is particularly illuminating. Your point would have been better made by not responding at all.

  322. kabulykos

    July 12, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    Gatortrapper Also, race and racism predate 17th Amendment by at least a few thousand years.

  323. kabulykos

    July 12, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    Siccerson Careful, WaPo might ask you to write an Op Ed.

  324. kabulykos

    July 12, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    section77 Pretty much. I’d say something about egg on some faces, but that’d probably be misconstrued as racist somehow.
    Moving past the specifics of this particular hit job, @DrStaceyPatton is right that context matters. Comedy is art, and art is more than what the artist intends people to think of it. Since Amy Schumer became known to the masses this past month I’ve been thinking back to Dave Chapelle’s self-imposed exile from the limelight. It’d be hard not to. His TV Show was hilarious, biting, and an increasing hit, but he shut it down not because *he* was racist, but because he sensed an increasing fraction of his audience was. They were laughing for the wrong reasons, and his comedy (or his demography) gave them cover to do so.

    Like a lot of folks, I’ve seen Amy’s show, but not much of her stand-up routines. But I like the stand-up format, and I could imagine her doing a stupid-white-girl act really well. I’d laugh. I’d be in on the joke. Is it okay that some of her audience might not? Maybe. Probably. I don’t see her race-baiting her away into national attention, so maybe the joke’s on the guys in the club that think she actually hates Mexicans. Or maybe the joke’s on me because I might be more offended if she’d said something crass about black men instead. Or maybe the joke’s still on The Washington Post for showing off how lame journalism’s become. 

    Maybe it’s all of those things. The funny thing about art is that it’s rarely just one thing or another.

  325. rvail136

    July 12, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    Amsterclam rvail136 AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…you’re such a joker.

  326. WilliamHenryRice

    July 12, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    GaryMccollom WilliamHenryRice Jrat
    LOL.  So says the guy who has yet to add a single fact to the discussion. You’re fooling nobody (unless of course making a fool of yourself counts)  
    with all that cheap unsupported talk of ‘objectivity’ (on the heels of a very unobjective ad hominim – that pitiable childish ‘Queen Kathleen’ silliness) 

    Thanks, by the way, for suggesting I might be part of an inner circle – I’ve only been part of my family circle and my professional business and now my circle of like hearts who prefer volunteering to golf and shuffle-board. 

    Yes, objectivity is a good way [er, actually, the only way] of “expanding one’s knowledge”. If that’s your talk then walk it. Offer some substantial supported by statistical or documented evidence input. Invective doesn’t advance dialogue. 

    As for ‘thick skin’ 30 years running the business gauntlet (plus several stints in the street-fight that’s a civic political campaign) have given me dermis of Kevlar and epidermis of Teflon. That’s why I voluntarily enter conservative, and ‘patrol’ less biased and more civil comment threads applying the surest antidotes to conservatism there is – facts and logic. 

    Why bother? Not to change your mind – your doctrine precludes such –   
    but to offer the unblinkered perspective of someone who takes Konrad Lorenz’s credo to heart:  “It is a good morning exercise …  to discard a    
    pet hypothesis every day before breakfast.”  

    This is what business teaches with hard knocks – ‘follow the trail of fact (usually statistics) to the spread-sheet’s bottom line and accept, like it or not, the reality in that box in the bottom right hand corner. Try it  – you’ll hate it – but like liver and spinach it’ll be good for you. 

    As for that ‘elitism’ nonsense – to you almost everyone is ‘elite’ – that’s perfectly understandable – given that you offer little but invective you’ve few peers – making most of the silent majority who read but don’t write comments your superiors. Try practising what you preach and that will change. Give facts a try – they may hurt – but they’re good for you.

    A lesson in the usefulness of facts: A wee fact-check would have shown you that the amassing of government debt was presided over by by both the Greek left of centre and right of centre parties (PASOK + New Demo)

    Facts are a panacea – preventing conditions arising from ‘assuming’ and ‘foot in mouth disease’. 🙂 

    And that has filled the vacant 15 minutes wait before the wondrous girl-child and I go to English Bay for Frappaccinos.

  327. Veseng

    July 12, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    YotaruVegeta Veseng semilore2007 DebraTope I’m not so sure.  It wasn’t that long ago that Lyndon Johnson was
    telling his people “pass this and the ni***rs will vote Democrat for the
    next 200 years.”  Never mind that they knew the so-called great society
    would devastate the black family. And it has been devastated.

    Also, it was Republican Eisenhower that faced down Democrat Wallace over school desegregation.  Lots more examples are available.

  328. JaneAgriculture

    July 12, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    Veseng YotaruVegeta semilore2007 DebraTope It was also the Republicans that helped LBJ pass civil rights and voting rights legislation.

  329. InfinityBall

    July 12, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    Driverdude Gatortrapper

  330. InfinityBall

    July 12, 2015 at 9:51 pm

    Driverdude Somalia: the country so libertarian, they banned Christmas.

    You’re an idiot.

  331. InfinityBall

    July 12, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    PatLoudoun She just couldn’t stop humiliating herself by writing what she thought. It was pretty funny.

  332. InfinityBall

    July 12, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    DanZee “Pressured”?

  333. InfinityBall

    July 12, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    YotaruVegeta For sufficiently loose definitions of “educator,” I suspect.

  334. InfinityBall

    July 12, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    DrStaceyPatton Foggy_Otis That moment when you realize you’ve been making fun of a retarded person and feel bad for what just happened.

  335. kabulykos

    July 12, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    JaneAgriculture Veseng YotaruVegeta semilore2007 DebraTope The northern “liberals”, yes. And 30 years ago the Republican party was reliably the home for many hardscrabble immigrant groups. Times change. I’ve always been confused by people who essentially behave like “ethnic Republicans” or “ethnic Democrats,” as if party affiliation were passed down the Grandma’s wedding china. Politics should largely be a fight over the now and the tomorrow.

    Like the say on Wall Street, past results are no guarantee of future performance.

  336. boggyduck

    July 13, 2015 at 3:07 am

    gasfarty2 Oh, “Miss Piggy” because she’s Jewish. Haha. I get it.

  337. GaryMccollom

    July 13, 2015 at 4:32 am

    WilliamHenryRice GaryMccollom Jrat  “A lesson in the usefulness of facts: A wee fact-check would have shown you that the amassing of government debt was presided over by by both the Greek left of centre and right of centre parties (PASOK + New Demo)”
    Their own manifesto describes The New Democracy party as “radical liberalism”, look it up self-described genius before you look like a fool once again, actually it is very becoming so don’t look it up.

  338. YannG

    July 13, 2015 at 5:28 am

    “It seems that Schumer was targeted because she’s getting a lot of press with the release of her upcoming movie Trainwreck, and people are interested in her, so generating controversy is profitable”
    you could have just this, it is pretty damn spot on and all anyone needs to know about all this bs.
    Next time please avoid the jab at women. Women aren’t “easy targets” you flaming sexist.

  339. Aria Taint Bennington

    July 13, 2015 at 8:33 am

    MikeLemmon  Don’t forget, a flag is responsible for shooting people in SC.

  340. TimKnight1

    July 13, 2015 at 9:09 am

    ” I’m a specialist on racist language”.  WTF does that mean?  Is there a degree in that now?

  341. tripleogtim

    July 13, 2015 at 9:15 am

    @YannG Come on dude everyone knows only homosexuals can be described as flaming

  342. TimKnight1

    July 13, 2015 at 9:35 am

    DrStaceyPatton ” I’m a specialist on racist language”.  WTF does that mean?  Is there a degree in that now?

  343. el duke

    July 13, 2015 at 9:40 am

    Meh. A leftist “intellectuals” are using the same simple-minded attacks that have become the worst of cliches. The only new, interesting aspect is that theynarendirecting gheir nonsense at a fellow leftist.

  344. Veseng

    July 13, 2015 at 10:07 am

    ManfredCoates DebraTope You do know that for there to be an understanding between two sides of an issue, both sides have to do some ‘understanding’.  Maybe even let go of some old hurts.

  345. Veseng

    July 13, 2015 at 10:19 am

    WilliamHenryRice Jrat All of which has what to do with a comedian was or was not racist?

  346. WilliamHenryRice

    July 13, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    GaryMccollom WilliamHenryRice Jrat
    “WHO WE ARE
    The New Republic belongs to the large family of center-right political parties in Europe, committed to the principles of liberty, democracy,   
    social justice and prosperity.” 

    That is the first (thesis) paragraph of their declaration. Their intentions       
    ‘in a nut-shell’. 

    As Veseng reminds us – this is far off topic. Greece is a debatable topic – but in no way related to the issues of racism raised by the article. 

    My initial comment was about how the American racism problem differs from that of other developed nations. My follow-up had triple intentions: 
    1) to obviate the source of oppression as faced by non-white America;     2) to show how that makes discrimination in America different from that faced by those in nations where their social ethos isn’t drawn from that toxic well; and 3) to put a pin in that chauvinistic balloon of ‘America as vital to Canada’s national security. That egotism gets old with the rest of the world (who, increasingly, think of America not as ‘global policeman’  
    but as some swaggering, beer-bellied, bullying southern sheriff (picture Jackie Gleason as Buford T. Justice in Smokey & The Bandit 2). (‘Shaft’     
    to the point of that pin is America’s near-perfect track record at defending democracies anywhere. 

    Gary then went on to personal attack – which given it’s source and value   
    is impotent. But Gary has a track record of smearing ad hominem while speaking highly of the value of intelligent discourse (but contributing no facts to the cause. Other, more polite and civil folk, are discouraged from speaking up (which, I suspect, is the intent). Armed with researched facts and armoured with a skin gators envy I delight in putting bullies in place.

    I find my solidly self-employed free enterprise background to be valuable in debate where the bullies are almost always Rush Limbaugh mini-mes. 

    And, with that explanation (but not excuse), my apologies to the thread.

  347. GaryMccollom

    July 13, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    WilliamHenryRice GaryMccollom Jrat
    “He intended New Democracy to be a more modern and progressive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics political party than those that ruled https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece before the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Greek_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat, including his own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Radical_Union (ERE). The party’s ideology was defined as “radical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism”, a term defined as “the prevalence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market rules with the decisive intervention of the state in favour of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice.”
    Fortunately for the others reading this thread you have started to bore me, as you were.

  348. WilliamHenryRice

    July 13, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    GaryMccollom WilliamHenryRice Jrat

    Sigh. You claimed (falsely) that their own manifesto (your word) declared them one thing when it declares quite another. 

    Only the boring are ever bored.

    TTFN:)

  349. Gatortrapper

    July 13, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    kabulykos Dude the 17th Amendment provided for popular election of Senators. And the historical fact of race being an issue of divisiveness for some does not mean that it was or is an issue in the United States today. It is a manufactured issue in that whatever minimal life support that it was on has been removed and instead it’s been brought to life as a Frankenstein monster to be used to distract from the real existential issues that the political elite don’t want people inquiring about. That you folks can’t get that merely is proof that their sleight of hand effort has been successful.

  350. Gatortrapper

    July 13, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    @DennisHastings1 <=needs help understanding definition of “sarcasm” as he equates it with a personal attack on character. Can someone in Dennis’ hometown get him a dictionary? 

    I don’t suffer fools lightly. You seem to be interviewing for one of the positions in the duffus academy too. You want to complain about the quality of the syntax and tone of a message conveying a serious message about the unfolding financial ruin of the nation proffered as a rebuttal to someone embracing an ever increasing government? Boy this country is totally screwed if you’re representative of your circles o influence.

  351. JaneAgriculture

    July 13, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    MikeLemmon  The left has cried “racism” so much that the word doesn’t mean anything anymore.

  352. laughingsohard

    July 14, 2015 at 10:15 am

    The best part was when Patton suggests that people of color who laugh at “racist” jokes must be self-hating, and that has something to do with how some blacks were overseers on plantations….LMAO.

  353. DuckYou420

    July 14, 2015 at 10:36 am

    Patton is a retarded cunt.  Fact is, she’s the fucking racist.  She doesn’t think “people of color” can understand what comedy is.  This dumb cunt is useless.

  354. Stacy P

    July 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    She’s not funny. Very few women are.

  355. DmitriKhitrovo

    July 17, 2015 at 3:56 am

    There’s always an army of white people to defend their fellow racists.

  356. BallPeenHammer

    July 20, 2015 at 8:42 am

    DmitriKhitrovo Hai and Welcome!

  357. Purple Guy

    August 1, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    Gatortrapper really

  358. Gatortrapper

    August 1, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    If the shoe fits where it. Apparently it’s your size too.

  359. Gatortrapper

    August 1, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    Your point being that racial tension has been an issue from dawn of time no doubt.

  360. VerityJones

    August 2, 2015 at 10:21 am

    Gatortrapper kabulykos If you don’t think racism is an issue in America today, then you must be blind, deaf and dumb. If you know any people of color, ask them in private if that’s the case. If you don’t know any people of color or are afraid to ask, then that will tell you if you are sheltered and out of touch. If you prefer to assume you know already, then you can’t handle a test to your belief and prefer to live in blissful ignorance, which is fine, but understand, that’s what it is.

  361. LIBERTYSINCURSION

    August 17, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    @White Guy Only if you claim she’s a racist.