Neil deGrasse Tyson: The Effects of Education on Voting Trends


The effect of Education on voting trends…

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  1. Anthony From California

    November 9, 2012 at 12:24 am

    The iBang is really hating on the south today.

    • Pepper Hicks Coughing Fit

      November 9, 2012 at 2:36 am

      like they are looking down on the south… or looking south on…. ummmmmm…  nevermind

    • Kevin in SC

      November 9, 2012 at 8:00 am

      @Anthony From California
       Fuck ’em.  At least we have electricity and gasoline

      • DerekJamesSmith

        November 9, 2012 at 9:32 am

        @Kevin in SC  @Anthony From California Dont forget  moonshine and incest

      • Mikfin

        November 9, 2012 at 12:25 pm

        @DerekJamesSmith  @Kevin in SC  @Anthony From California It’s not incest when I’m fucking *your* mother.

      • galactictraveler

        November 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm

        @Kevin in SC @Anthony From California At least we’re not the only Americans that lost a war !

      • sidwasout

        November 9, 2012 at 12:33 pm

        @galactictraveler  @Kevin  @Anthony
         Ever heard of Vietnam?

  2. ShowerBench

    November 9, 2012 at 12:56 am

    States don’t vote, people do.  Nationwide, Romney won college graduates 51 – 47.  Obama won post-graduates 55 – 42 (Doctors went with Romney 55 – 36, guessing the MSW’s went with Obama).  Obama won 64% of high school dropouts. The title “the effect of education on voting trends” illustrated with “states” is all kinds of incomplete.  This is one of the less impressive efforts at rube-running.

    • WonderV

      November 9, 2012 at 1:01 am

      @ShowerBench Yes. it is the people in the states that do the voting. Was that really unclear?

    • Pepper Hicks Coughing Fit

      November 9, 2012 at 2:35 am

      can you post a link of the source of your information? I just want to check it out.   Neil deGrasse Tyson’s post may be misleading, but there is still an element of truth to it, being that the blue states do have higher percentages of college graduates.

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 7:37 am

        CNN hes some of these stats

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 8:30 am

        @Pepper Hicks Coughing Fit CNN has some of these stats, and while that may be true, they also have bigger populations and more colleges

    • galactictraveler

      November 9, 2012 at 2:47 am

      @ShowerBench OH, your all wet !

      • Pepper Hicks Coughing Fit

        November 9, 2012 at 4:12 am

        I don’t understand your slang

      • FLprodivider66

        November 9, 2012 at 5:12 am

        @Pepper Hicks Coughing Fit…In this circumstance where more than one person is commenting on somebody’s post, DON’T erase the name of the person you’re “replying” to so they know who you’re speaking to!?

    • DrunkEpiphany

      November 9, 2012 at 6:12 am

      It must be tiring to be you.

      • FLprodivider66

        November 9, 2012 at 7:17 am

        @DrunkEpiphany…haha, maybe he’ll get the point…?

    • ediblegenius

      November 9, 2012 at 7:31 am

      @ShowerBench Im not impressed, it seems obvious the states with the larger population centers would have people who are more educated seeing as how colleges and major cities tend to follow each other.

    • Bads

      November 9, 2012 at 10:34 am

      @ShowerBench If I were a Romney supporter I wouldn’t be throwing around the word “rube” quite so much.

  3. FLprodivider66

    November 9, 2012 at 2:49 am

    OH DAMN!! HA HA HA…This clearly proves what I’ve always said (known)…believe me, having been raised in a northern state and moving to south Florida as an adult, if not anything, has opened my eyes to the difference of intelligence level (literally like night and day) between the “majority” of northern educated adults and southern educated adults!?

  4. FLprodivider66

    November 9, 2012 at 2:50 am

    OH DAMN!! HA HA HA…This clearly proves what I’ve always said (known)…believe me, having been raised in a northern state and moving to south Florida as an adult, if not anything, has opened my eyes to the difference of intelligence level (literally like night and day) between the “majority” of northern educated adults and southern educated adults…see chart above…

  5. FLprodivider66

    November 9, 2012 at 3:04 am

    Having been raised in a northern state and moving to south Florida as an adult, I was going to state an obvious fact, but chose to keep it to myself 😉

  6. FLprodivider66

    November 9, 2012 at 3:06 am

    Having been raised in a northern state and moved to south Florida as an adult I was going to state an obvious fact but chose to keep it to myself 😉

  7. Peculier

    November 9, 2012 at 5:24 am

    Just because you went to college, doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re more educated *cough* Dana *cough*

  8. kylechristo4

    November 9, 2012 at 6:51 am

    What a shock. The red states are the poorest, too.

    • ediblegenius

      November 9, 2012 at 7:25 am

      @kylechristo4 The red states listed have more blacks proportionality than most of the blue ones listed, interesting for a guy who locks up the black vote

      • jerkaruso

        November 9, 2012 at 11:13 am

        @ediblegenius  You’re saying Vermont doesn’t have a lot of black people living there?

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 11:20 am

        @jerkaruso according to the census, black people are an endangered species in Vermont

  9. jerkstoresean

    November 9, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Where’s the other 30 states?

  10. ediblegenius

    November 9, 2012 at 7:24 am

    You mean to tell me the states with the top colleges in the country are more educated?! how shocking! Neil, stop focusing on politics, go back to getting us into space! Universities are full of professors with an agenda of programming kids to think like them. I’m not saying this is right or wrong, I’m just saying that’s what they do.

  11. ediblegenius

    November 9, 2012 at 7:37 am

    CNNs statistics has Romney winning college graduates 51%-47%, has Obama winning “some college”  49%-48%, post graduates(masters and above) voting Obama 55%-42%. In fact Obama resoundingly won over people WITHOUT HIGHSCOOL EDUCATIONS and they wouldn’t give the percentage but it looks from the graph to be 65%-70% of the NON HIGHSCHOOL GRADUATES  voted Obama. So this graphic Neil put up is pointless, and just proves major urban ares voted democrat, something we already knew

    • ediblegenius

      November 9, 2012 at 7:49 am

      non high school graduates relfect 3% of the electorate, roughly 3.5 million of voters

    • TBVickroy

      November 9, 2012 at 9:34 am

      @ediblegenius
       Post graduates (masters and above) 55-42%, Obama. Sure it has a point.

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 9:53 am

        @TBVickroy No it doesnt, not when you crunch the numbers,, obama had around 1 million more post grads vote for him, as opposed to 2 million people who didnt graduate highschool

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 9:55 am

        @TBVickroy No it doesnt, not when you crunch the numbers,, obama had around 1 million more post grads vote for him than romney, but 2 million more people than romney who didnt graduate highschool…stupider people voted for obama i guess is what the stats say

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 9:56 am

        @TBVickroy No it doesnt, not when you crunch the numbers,, obama had around 1 million more post grads vote for him than romney, but 2 million more people than romney who didnt graduate highschool…i guess more stupid people voted for obama i guess is what the stats say

  12. BadNewsJeff

    November 9, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Either I’m reading this chart wrong or Okalhoma elected a Pokemon

    • DeathProof

      November 9, 2012 at 9:00 am

      @BadNewsJeff I choose you Charizard!

  13. TBVickroy

    November 9, 2012 at 9:26 am

    If this just doesnt say  it all, I don’t know what does. No secret why they want to not fund education and abolish the DOE. Carlin was correct. Sad.

    • ediblegenius

      November 9, 2012 at 2:12 pm

      @TBVickroy people like you make me sad…a vast majority of people who didn’t finish high school VOTED FOR OBAMA! if that doesn’t prove your previous statement incorrect I don’t know what will

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 2:21 pm

        @TBVickroy not to mention states like west Virginia are in the TOP TEN of states that receive federal money

      • TBVickroy

        November 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm

        @ediblegenius
        Dude, the vast majority who never went to high school in the first place Voted for Romney. If you voted for Romney you were either very wealthy and knew his policies would beneift you or you weren’t that bright. Look at the type of critical thinking on this page alone: people who went to college voted for Obama because their professors were left leaning. Voters have been indoctrinated by the left since a young age. Just because a majority of high school drop outs voted for Obama does not negate the fact or premise that areas concentrated with college graduates overwheminlgy voted for Obama. Your point merely proves that there are more uneducated people in the US than there are educated.

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 3:05 pm

        @TBVickroy you couldn’t be more wrong, if you want to find stats on the electorate that show people who never even went to highschool please show me. The stats are clear, the 3% of the electorate that are described as “NO HIGH SCHOOL” show that they voted overwhelmingly for Obama. if i made a mistake it was not clearly stating what i meant when i said “high school drop outs” the stat says “NO HIGH SCHOOL”. You cant say “If you voted for Romney you were either very wealthy and knew his policies would beneift you or you weren’t that bright.” because the stats DONT BACK YOU UP, rich people did not overwhelmingly vote Romney. Now I CANT agree with you that people who went to college voted for Obama because the stats have them SPLIT, with Romney getting more bachelors and Obama getting more masters, to that I will say you are correct that their professors are left leaning and indoctrinated the youth, but that’s only prevalent in people who have post graduate degrees, and those people overwhelmingly voted Obama, just like the non educated. Also i have to say that my other point has been proven wrong, obviously your opinion does mean something to me or I wouldn’t be debating you….

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 3:19 pm

        @TBVickroy  And if you really believe I proved that, the election shows more uneducated people voted for Obama

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 3:20 pm

        @TBVickroy “Your point merely proves that there are more uneducated people in the US than there are educated.” And if you really believe I proved that, the election shows more uneducated people voted for Obama

  14. Scott_Chandwater

    November 9, 2012 at 10:13 am

    sooo, who is the best worst educated? and who is the worst best educated? all these loose ends makes me wanna drink.

  15. Pool Keepers Son

    November 9, 2012 at 10:29 am

    I don’t smoke pot…..yet, I’m gonna save it for when things get really tough and when Hicks comes out to visit Colorado…. I could just blaze through these next 4 years like a good college student, hell I might even take some classes online

  16. c_ocobean

    November 9, 2012 at 11:06 am

    why would Mass w/ 39.1% elect a governor by the name of Romney ?

    • Amsterclam

      November 9, 2012 at 12:38 pm

      @c_ocobean
       Healthcare.  He ran on his healthcare plan- and won with it.

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 1:40 pm

        @Amsterclam  @c_ocobean no he ran like a moderate who wasn’t trying to grab the religious vote

  17. jerkaruso

    November 9, 2012 at 11:08 am

    NdT dropping truth bombs.

  18. Chris_EsT

    November 9, 2012 at 11:24 am

    So you’re saying that the students who spent 4 years under the tutelage of largely left-leaning professors voted Democrat? The ones who agreed to ridiculous student loans and then whine about having to pay them back? Mind-blowing…

    • zel

      November 9, 2012 at 11:57 am

      @Chris_EsT Yet DO pay them back.
       
      Unlike those largel;y right-leaning people that you appear to support who cry about big deficits and spending yet refuse to raise revenue or put their money grubbing hands down when it comes to welfare and other money.

      • sidwasout

        November 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm

        @zel  @Chris_EsT
         Yeah, nobody ever defaults on a student loan.  And screw those greedy conservatives who don’t want to pay more taxes that end up going to entitlement programs.  They may have worked hard for their money, but liberals need it to buy more welfare votes, so poney up!

      • zel

        November 9, 2012 at 11:15 pm

        @sidwasout  @Chris_EsT
         
        Buy more welfare votes? Are you serious? You do realize that more voters in red states are on welfare than in blue states, yes?
         
        And yes, some people are greedy. People cheer for wars and don’t want to pay them. America was not built on an “everyone out for themselves” mentality.
         
        Nobody should be rewarded for laziness; I agree. But the poor should not be left behind.

      • sidwasout

        November 9, 2012 at 11:58 pm

        @zel @sidwasout @Chris_EsT The top five states are, in order, California, New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. You may want to try doing a little research before you expose your ignorance.
        America was most definitely built on the premise of individual responsibility. Try finding any reference to welfare in our founding documents. Tell me when we started taking money from the wealthy to pay for the living expenses of people who don’t want to work for a living.
        Life is hard, and some people will fail. That’s how it works in nature. Are we above nature?

      • Chris_EsT

        November 9, 2012 at 12:28 pm

        @zel Why would someone who complains about the deficit and spending think the solution would be raising taxes?

      • zel

        November 9, 2012 at 1:44 pm

        @Chris_EsT because those same peoe want to increase spending.

      • Chris_EsT

        November 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm

        @zel So they’re not “crying about spending.” Make up your mind.

      • mendoman

        November 9, 2012 at 10:40 pm

        @zel  @Chris_EsT @zel I complain about the deficit and spending and the last thing I want is more spending. The federal government should provide defense, our state government should provide schools and roads and our local government should provide police, fire and water. Allow the private sector to bid to provide these services and the best bang for the buck should win. For everything else, get the motherfuck out of my way, let me live my life, work my balls off and get stoned as Hicks after work.

      • zel

        November 9, 2012 at 10:45 pm

        @Chris_EsT  @zel
         You can both “cry about spending” and “want more spending”. Try wrapping your head around the word hypocrisy.
         
        Many conservatives want to increase defense spending. These are the same conservatives who cry about the deficit.
         
        I think a 6th grader can comprehend that.

      • zel

        November 9, 2012 at 10:46 pm

        @mendoman  @Chris_EsT  @zelI respect that opinion, but I disagree.
         
        Can I ask what your opinions on same-sex marriage and abortion are, as they relate to government getting “the motherfuck” out of your way?

      • mendoman

        November 9, 2012 at 10:54 pm

        @zel  @Chris_EsT I have no problem with same sex marriage and don’t think it’s the government’s place to tell a woman what to do with their body.
         
        I’m strong on personal responsibility though. Personally, I work full-time and go to school full-time. I’m going to an awesome school that I’m paying my way through. It’s a struggle, but I’m doing it without the government’s help.

      • Chris_EsT

        November 10, 2012 at 7:22 am

        @zel Oh, so you’re saying that Democrats and Republicans have different ideas about what they want to spend our money on? You’re really breaking new ground with these arguments, genius.

      • zel

        November 10, 2012 at 9:32 am

        @Chris_EsT is this some sort of internet bit? Nobody can truly be as dense as you’re putting on.

      • Chris_EsT

        November 10, 2012 at 12:54 pm

        @zel Just allowing you to make clear what your point is. I never made a political position, I made a couple common generalizations, which you didn’t dispute. You just attacked based on an assumption of bias, and I’ve allowed you to run with that and display for everyone your own bias and inability to think outside it.

    • bobneedsmoney

      November 9, 2012 at 2:07 pm

      @Chris_EsT this has been in the works for decades now the left understood they could control votes by indoctrinating kids at a young age into their line of thinking.

      • Chris_EsT

        November 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm

        @bobneedsmoney I don’t know if I’d go that far. Nobody is truly objective, so a teacher’s beliefs are sure to come out and skew what they teach. It just happens that the majority of college professors lean to the left. There’s no conspiracy.

  19. zel

    November 9, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Liberal Elites!

  20. Rorschach7

    November 9, 2012 at 11:31 am

    This is controversial. Ill say this.. “dumber” people are usually drawn in by simple jingoism.. like “The Bible” “Go America!” “The Flag” “Traditional values!” ect. The republicans are good at that stuff.

    • Chris_EsT

      November 9, 2012 at 11:34 am

      @Rorschach7 Simple jingoism like “Hope!” and “Change!”?

      • Rorschach7

        November 9, 2012 at 11:35 am

        @Chris_EsT  @Rorschach7 Im not saying they dont do it.. Im saying the republicans are better at it.

      • Chris_EsT

        November 9, 2012 at 11:35 am

        @Rorschach7 Oh, ok. It was a compliment…

      • Rorschach7

        November 9, 2012 at 11:36 am

        @Chris_EsT  @Rorschach7 Im number 6 there on the dumb side LOL

      • Chris_EsT

        November 9, 2012 at 11:38 am

        @Rorschach7 I’m in the middle ground, I guess, but I’m surrounded by front runners

      • Rorschach7

        November 9, 2012 at 11:43 am

        @Chris_EsT  @Rorschach7 Ive seen these polls my whole life. The less educated you are the more likely you are to be nationalistic and believe in god too.. thats another reason why the less educated like the Republicans better. Its not all 100% but the things trend this way. For every William F Buckley you have a 100 David Dukes.

      • Mikfin

        November 9, 2012 at 2:15 pm

        @Rorschach7  @Chris_EsT Apparently not in this election.

      • cal5000

        November 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm

        @Chris_EsT  @Rorschach7 There was alot of details behind the message–there tends not to be alot of details behind the flag and bible beyond “obey”

      • Chris_EsT

        November 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm

        @cal5000 Who’s being simple now?

    • Rorschach7

      November 9, 2012 at 11:35 am

      This kinda stuff makes people so fucking angry. No one likes to be called stupid.

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm

        @Rorschach7 I agree with you in part, but just remember that Obama dominated those that voted who had no high school education. In the end, smart and stupid people vote for either side for a plethora of reasons, I just hate generalizations like Democrats = all smart people, Republicans- all stupid people

      • Amsterclam

        November 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm

        @ediblegenius  @Rorschach7
         Nobody said that, Edible.  But trends can be interesting and informative.

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 12:58 pm

        @Amsterclam @Rorschach7 that’s a fair point, but what I’m getting at is the trend this graph shows is leading to a false conclusion , if you read this as the states with more smart people voted for obama you would be incorrect, its coincidence, because these states also happen to hold a large portion of the population and variables in that population outside of educated voters are really why these states vote blue

      • cal5000

        November 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm

        @ediblegenius  @Rorschach7 Source?

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 2:05 pm

        @cal5000  @Rorschach7 CNN

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm

        @cal5000  @Rorschach7 as I have said before, all my stats are coming from CNN, a supposedly leftist organization

    • bobneedsmoney

      November 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm

      @Rorschach7 or the dems which bring in votes with saying they are going to take abortion or force a big through for hetro marriage only or they are going to take away Medicare and social security!!!! None of that will happen, or it will be replaced or the bills will fail.

    • Greatly Fatigued

      November 9, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      @Rorschach7 “Dumber” people are also drawn in by pseudointellectualism.  Be skeptical.

  21. Ziggy Stardust

    November 9, 2012 at 11:50 am

    So 20 out of 50 tells the whole story ? They’re all being duped by clever “marketing” if you will:  
    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/now-with-alex-wagner/49745959#49745959

  22. DeathProof

    November 9, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Me and Cooter wuz juss talkin’ ’bout this down at the Waffle House.

  23. Mikfin

    November 9, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Cue up Disraeli!

  24. bdubs

    November 9, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    I’m sorry but I went to a top university, and I would hardly saying that having  a college degree would qualify you as “educated”  or that being educated qualifies you as smart.  It was one of the easiest things I have ever done in my life.  Not to mention that a college campus tends to be one of the most liberal places in the US.  This statistic means very little to me.

  25. Mikfin

    November 9, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Did Fez go to college?  Regardless of the answer it kind of blows Degrassi’s theory out of the water, no?

    • cal5000

      November 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm

      @Mikfin No, why would it?

      • bobneedsmoney

        November 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm

        @cal5000 @Mikfin well simple, he voted Obama for the gay marriage issue nothing else and almost all blacks voted Obama and they have like a 20-30% of going to college. Emotions have more to do with elections and the dems know this, its why they win lately.

      • Mikfin

        November 9, 2012 at 2:13 pm

        @cal5000 Implicit in Tyson’s theory/post is that education equals intelligence and that Obama’s voters are more intelligent.  If Fez went to college it would disprove the former, if he didn’t go to college it would disprove the latter.

  26. bobneedsmoney

    November 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Level of education means nothing, this boils down to two emotional issues, abortion and gay marriage, women turned out in record numbers again and swung the election to Obama. The bottom line is women vote more on emotion than being rational or using common sense, if the republicans drop the abortion BS and go by the Christian mantra “love the sinner, hate the sin” and just let gays have the right to be as miserable as us hetros they would sweep elections. You can be religious but the country is based on government being free of religion since they realized churches influenced too much control over politics. I don’t agree with gay marriage but its not my place to judge anyone, I’m not religious and the way gay partners have been shit on by not being legally recognized is a shame. Families keeping out gay partners while they may be in the hospital must be torture to them and people need to be shown how it affects them to bring the populace around.

    • TBVickroy

      November 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm

      @bobneedsmoney
       Education factors in to the understanding and processing of how those wedge issues would affect their lives and the country.

      • bobneedsmoney

        November 9, 2012 at 8:47 pm

        @TBVickroy that is bullshit, it would barely affect any of them in the slightest and if they were really educated they would understand you can’t keep spending your way out of a deficit.

  27. CardiffGiant11

    November 9, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    With it being such a close race this doesn’t really illustrate much. Plenty of people here in state #4 voted for Romney instead of Obama and are college educated. Stick to the real science Neil not pseudo social political science

    • ediblegenius

      November 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm

      @CardiffGiant11 theres no point in trying with some of this crowd its like talking to a wall

      • CardiffGiant11

        November 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm

        @ediblegenius well said. I didn’t vote for Obama either time and found his first term to be terrible. I hoped after he was elected that he would succeed but in my opinion he didn’t. Now that’s he’s been elected again I have hope that he succeeds again. In this case I would love to be proven wrong

      • CardiffGiant11

        November 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm

        Clarification by proven wrong I mean to have my gut feeling that he will do poorly again be proven wrong

      • TBVickroy

        November 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm

        @ediblegenius  @CardiffGiant11
         vice versa.

      • ediblegenius

        November 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm

        @TBVickroy  @CardiffGiant11 vickroy, frankly as much as my facts mean nothing to you, your opinions mean nothing to me

  28. Docintoxicated

    November 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Correlation is not necessarily causation but generally states with a lot of higher education facilities vote democrat, some of this can be attributed to the fact that democrats are more likely to vote for education spending so economically it makes sense for people involved with some facet of the educational system to vote for the candidate more likely to increase their funding.

    • Greatly Fatigued

      November 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      @Docintoxicated You have a nice idea, but it you would need to prove causation for many many of your observations before you even  begin to dwell on the question of education and how people vote.  Does attending a college = education? Does education = intelligence? Does voting for one party signify anything about applications of that supposed intelligence?  Is there one type of intelligence?  Can we quantify the levels of intelligence(s) between uneducated and educated?

      • Docintoxicated

        November 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm

        @Greatly Fatigued  @Docintoxicated  We can and do quantify intelligence in many manners it’s really dependent on what facet of intelligence you wish to quantify and what criteria you intend to do with. For the purpose of the study they were not quantifying intelligence but the number of individuals who have degrees, but like I said correlation is not necessarily causation however a strongly associated correlation can be a good predictor of trends. As for my own testimonial account living in a state where the capital has the highest number of higher education institutions  per capita  and collectively they wield immense economic and political power educational funding is a crucial issue and those perceived as being pro-education funding (usually democrats) almost always win office.

      • Greatly Fatigued

        November 9, 2012 at 10:29 pm

        @Docintoxicated  @Greatly Fatigued
         
        I am sorry, but this study is unscientific hogwash.  Indeed, as with correlation between smoking and cancer, correlation can occasionally be a strong predictor, but it is ALWAYS a second best method of explanation.  The most important parts of any statistical study are the methods used and the assumptions made and unless you approach them skeptically and rigorously you are at best going to be fooled.
         
        The parameters relevant to intelligence are well beyond human understanding, much less calculation.  Many things can be readily quantified, but in the end all that matters is the usefulness of the parameter being quantified.  Check out some A.I. experiments.  I.Q. tests are terrible measures of anything other than the ability to take the tests themselves.
         
        As for your personal observations:
         Do not take the general for the particular or the particular for the general.
         
        Very interesting discussion!

  29. ShowerBench

    November 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Anyone with a 10th grade education recognizes what this set of stats doesn’t prove.  If you reached the conclusions suggested to you but unsupported by the graph’s limited data, you should at least go back and get your GED.  I’ve used this cheap tactic to promote Democratic politics before too..it only goes over because so many liberals are so enamored of their own “superior intellect” they suspend their vaunted skepticism.

    • ediblegenius

      November 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm

      @ShowerBench while i cant join on you the liberals enamored with their own superior intellect, I can join you on the fact that “If you reached the conclusions suggested to you but unsupported by the graph’s limited data, you should at least go back and get your GED.”

      • ShowerBench

        November 9, 2012 at 3:48 pm

        @ediblegenius Not all but a lot..similar to right wingers’ unfounded moral superiority conceit.  They’re probably tweeting an equally informative graph showing state proportions of weekly churchgoers.

      • Mikfin

        November 9, 2012 at 4:08 pm

        @ShowerBench  @ediblegenius I don’t care whether you agree with him or not, ShowerBench’s presence and participation ups the collective IQ of the Ibang by at least a couple points.

      • Bads

        November 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm

        @Mikfin  @ShowerBench  @ediblegenius  Showbench is nothing but a troll, and not a very good one at that. How many times has her bullshit drug Fez down from having a good day to a shitty day. Showerbitch, nobody cares about your opinion, please stop giving it. You aren’t helping Fez, you aren’t helping the show and you are not smart, witty or entertaining, just stop it.

      • Mikfin

        November 9, 2012 at 5:27 pm

        @Bads  @ShowerBench  @ediblegenius That’s funny.  I didn’t realize Shower was female, my apologies.  I still think ShowerBench is refreshingly cogent.  
         
        Listening to Fez get “drug down” is the most frustratingly, entertaining radio I’ve ever heard.  If there was the equivalent of an Oscar or Emmy for radio performances the guy playing Fez deserves multiple awards.

      • ShowerBench

        November 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm

        Ugh what a crybaby.   I’m not on the show dummy.  Nobody drags Fez down but Fez and he can defend himself even if he does it by inventing straw men and never reading what anyone actually says.  (“showerbitch” is a good one though, ouch)

    • Greatly Fatigued

      November 9, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      @ShowerBench Your skepticism is refreshing.  A very simple rule of thumb, “Statistics never prove anything”.  Statistics can only shed light on the probability of some event occurring.

      • Mikfin

        November 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm

        @Greatly Fatigued  @ShowerBench Did nobody get my Disraeli reference?  Oh for shame…

      • Yuuuck

        November 10, 2012 at 2:58 pm

        @Greatly Fatigued  @ShowerBench Never?

      • Greatly Fatigued

        November 10, 2012 at 3:27 pm

        @Yuuuck  @Greatly Fatigued  @ShowerBench No, never.  All statistics can do is reduce uncertainty, but not eliminate it.

  30. RFGvac

    November 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    I’m surprised at Neil.  This is a classic case of faulty logic, akin to saying “I put my left sock on before my right sock last Sunday, and my favorite sports team won.  That must be the reason why.”

  31. Beer

    November 9, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Bring back Pluto you asshole

  32. ffredosays

    November 15, 2012 at 3:44 am

    Everyone who is saying this is unscientific.  Tyson didn’t make any claims or interpretations, he simply put up the facts.  Obviously this isn’t enough to make any scientific conclusions but it is food for thought nonetheless.